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| Perth drops 31/08/2014 at 12:53 #64238 | |
DaveHarries
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Here's another one. For my new NEScot TT I am going to end up with several trains seeding from the same platform..... - 5G20 (0523 Perth - Markinch) - 5T99 (0528 Perth - Stirling) which only runs if needed. - 5K26 (0537 Perth - Kirkaldy) - 5A43 (0540 Perth P5 - Perth P2) - 5G22 (0550 Perth - Markinch) ..... which are all due to start at Platform 5. I intend to revise things a bit and use 5G22 to enter at Perth HS (next door to P7) and travel to reverse at Perth South (Down line between P49 and P61) and then travel to P5 to drop the other trains off. P5 is 230m long so that should work. What would be the correct TT coding to ensure that the trains detatch as intended? I might use 2x 5G22: one to take account of 5T99 running and one to take account of it not running. TIA, Dave Last edited: 31/08/2014 at 12:55 by DaveHarries Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/08/2014 at 14:11 #64242 | |
y10g9
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That seems a lot to all be starting from one platform. Perth platform 5 is 230m long (from manual) meaning that to have all 5 units there, they would have to be either 156 or 158 (from the unit characteristics on the wiki) with no space at all between the units. Presumably they are individual services that berth in P5 from the night before so either there is no gaps between each train (aka they are all coupled together in the platform) or the stock that makes up 5G20 is overhanging the platform starter signal With regards to the detaching, your dummy train would enter, and you would want to use the divide rear options so that you divide 5G20 first, then 5T99, then 5K26, then 5A43, and finally a next train 5G22. (This also means that if 5G20 needs to leave before say 5A43 has been detached, it can.) With 5T99 only being there some of the time, you'll need to have an alternative rule in on 2 dummy trains, with the one containing 5T99 being set at a percentage, and the other one at 100%. Just remember that the train will take a long time to reverse at Perth South, and you will need to use Far End Exact for its arrival into perth to hope that it fits into platform. Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/08/2014 at 15:50 #64246 | |
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DaveHarries
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" said:That seems a lot to all be starting from one platform. Agreed, but here it is: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/PTH/2014/09/23/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt Dave Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/08/2014 at 16:18 #64247 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:" said:Probably some sort of holding default - have another look after the trains have run and see what the reality wasThat seems a lot to all be starting from one platform. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/08/2014 at 16:35 #64249 | |
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y10g9
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" said:" said:That seems a lot to all be starting from one platform. Add to that list 2K24, 2G32, 1B05, 2N48, 5Z34, and 2P34 which all depart from Platform 5 in addition to those 5 ECS movements before the first train of the day arrives in P5. This def won't all fit in the same platform and i doubt that anywhere would store 10 units in one platform. Something makes me think that RRT has either missed off some ECS movements into that platform, or there are some incorrect platform allocations displayed. Unfortunately the WTT doesn't show ECS movement around Perth Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/08/2014 at 17:23 #64251 | |
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DaveHarries
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" said:" said:" said:That seems a lot to all be starting from one platform. Going by that I think you are probably correct. I think some use of sidings is called for. I will see how the timings pan out nearer the time. Dave Last edited: 31/08/2014 at 17:23 by DaveHarries Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/08/2014 at 19:27 #64253 | |
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Danny252
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" said:Something makes me think that RRT has either missed off some ECS movements into that platform, or there are some incorrect platform allocations displayed. Unfortunately the WTT doesn't show ECS movement around PerthRTT and the WTT don't show unbooked movements, such as loco runrounds or untimed shunts, and even when they do they tend to be best taken as a guideline. I'm not sure how the data is entered at Perth - it may be that there's no feature for automatic platform reporting, and that any replatforming would need to be entered manually. If the latter, it's not surprising if ECS is just thrown in as a dummy platform. I've certainly seen several cases where the platform given in RTT is most definitely not the one used, even where I would've thought it would be quite accurate! Last edited: 31/08/2014 at 19:31 by Danny252 Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/08/2014 at 20:04 #64255 | |
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Peter Bennet
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" said:" said:After the re-numbering of Finsbury Park platforms the RTT pre-train shows Up trains using 1,2 and 4; but after use show (generally) the inner suburbans as having used 3 but the outers 2 ( as well as 1 & 4) but 3 is never actually used these days.Something makes me think that RRT has either missed off some ECS movements into that platform, or there are some incorrect platform allocations displayed. Unfortunately the WTT doesn't show ECS movement around PerthRTT and the WTT don't show unbooked movements, such as loco runrounds or untimed shunts, and even when they do they tend to be best taken as a guideline. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 31/08/2014 at 20:05 by Peter Bennet Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/08/2014 at 20:43 #64257 | |
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Ron_J
331 posts |
In reality at Perth sets can be stabled overnight in platforms 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7, or the Carriage Sidings as traffic requirements dictate. There are up to 25 sets washed, fuelled, tanked and stabled there overnight. I can post an example of the station Start of Work sheet which gives details of the stabling arrangements if it would help.
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| Perth drops 01/09/2014 at 07:08 #64277 | |
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GW43125
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" said:" said:Indeed. Slughtly off topic, but does anyone know why P2 and not P3 is used these days? Reminds me of waiting on platform 2, only to see the train roll in on P4!" said:After the re-numbering of Finsbury Park platforms the RTT pre-train shows Up trains using 1,2 and 4; but after use show (generally) the inner suburbans as having used 3 but the outers 2 ( as well as 1 & 4) but 3 is never actually used these days.Something makes me think that RRT has either missed off some ECS movements into that platform, or there are some incorrect platform allocations displayed. Unfortunately the WTT doesn't show ECS movement around PerthRTT and the WTT don't show unbooked movements, such as loco runrounds or untimed shunts, and even when they do they tend to be best taken as a guideline. Any help would be appreciated, Jamie. Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/05/2019 at 15:28 #118570 | |
jc92
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Ron_J in post 64257 said:In reality at Perth sets can be stabled overnight in platforms 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7, or the Carriage Sidings as traffic requirements dictate. There are up to 25 sets washed, fuelled, tanked and stabled there overnight. I can post an example of the station Start of Work sheet which gives details of the stabling arrangements if it would help.Is this offer still open? I'm working on a 2019 timetable any information on overnight shunts at Perth Dundee and aberdeen would be appreciated. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 31/05/2019 at 21:42 #118578 | |
Hap
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jc92 in post 118570 said:Ron_J in post 64257 said:I'm sure I've got a start of work sheet for Perth kicking about, I'll dig it out.In reality at Perth sets can be stabled overnight in platforms 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7, or the Carriage Sidings as traffic requirements dictate. There are up to 25 sets washed, fuelled, tanked and stabled there overnight. I can post an example of the station Start of Work sheet which gives details of the stabling arrangements if it would help.Is this offer still open? I'm working on a 2019 timetable any information on overnight shunts at Perth Dundee and aberdeen would be appreciated. The shunting is really based on where control need the sets to go for the next day, it can be random. Even though you can reference an ECS move on RTT from Dundee to Perth which shows a stop on platform 1 and then back into 3/4/5/6/7, this might not actually be the end for that set(s). Cleaners will jump on, sets might be split and taken back out, into the wash road, fuelled and stabled or marshalled elsewhere around the station. How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jc92 |
| Perth drops 26/06/2019 at 11:07 #119120 | |
Snotri
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Hi there, i am writing a 2019 TT too, i chose date 26th August 2019. I nearly finished the TT. Now I am missing Informations on the operating frights, their headcodes and their running classes and trailers, as well as some informations on working services in Perth. It is the same problem as stated above. So, maybe someone can help, what is happening with some servicees in Perth over night. The services are: 1K10, its origin 1L01, 1L05 1L31, what are they doing after setting down 2G17, 2L53, 2P31, what will happen to them? 5G31, 5L21, 5L79, 5L83, and 5B02, what is this fomred from. I can invent some movements, but i think it would be nice, if we can have some real information on their TT. Maybe we can invent some movmentes for the night, using the fuel and washing sidings. Now, thank you in advance for your help and pls appologize my english, i am native german :-/ my school time is way back.. sorry Chris Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 26/06/2019 at 12:44 #119121 | |
postal
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Snotri in post 119120 said:Hi there,Dein Englisch ist viel besser als mein Deutsch! Ich musste Google Translate verwenden, um das zu sagen. There are on line sources you can use to try and find out the information. For example Real Time Trains allows you to see details covering the period from 7 days ago to 90 days in the future. You can see the data now for August 26th. and it will remain on line until 2nd. September. The working timetables for the period are also available on line from Network Rail. While they don't include diagram information so you won't know for sure which set steps forward to which working, if Real Time Trains shows an arriving train in Platform 1 then a new service shortly departing Platform 1 you can take an informed guess about the next working for the arriving train. In regard to the particular date you have picked, are you aware that it is a UK Public Holiday so there may be lots of differences between the train running on that day and a typical Monday? For example there is probably going to be much less freight moving on that day and there may also be cancellations due to blockades closing parts of the railway system for engineering work. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 26/06/2019 at 12:45 by postal Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Snotri |
| Perth drops 26/06/2019 at 14:01 #119123 | |
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Snotri
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Thank you for your Infos. Well, i didnt know that there are holidays. I checked the timetable from ScotRail, there are no restrictions so far. So it is easy to change the date of the timetable. I did not have the freight integrated until now so i can change it. For the timetable i assumed, that all intended HST services are HST services, so there is already fictional work in this. Also i have to invent a work around at Montrose for the ending services there, so you might call the work semi-fictional. I am trying it out at the moment and chacking for errors. Log in to reply |
| Perth drops 26/06/2019 at 18:43 #119126 | |
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jc92
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Trains at Montrose shunt onto No1 through siding which isn't a location currently (I've raised a mantis for this).
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| Perth drops 27/06/2019 at 10:02 #119128 | |
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Snotri
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Yep, but you can work around that, Reverse in Sdg. No.1 and don´t let the train exit by setting the stopping position there as N. It worked so far.
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