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| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 04:29 #74687 | |
BarryM
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An incident in Scotland last Saturday. Click Here Fortunately nobody was injured. Note comments at the bottom of the page. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Last edited: 03/08/2015 at 04:33 by BarryM Reason: additioal message Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 09:18 #74693 | |
RainbowNines
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The long comment sounds much more sensible than the others - but an RAIB investigation is not a sure thing; they'll only go if there are lessons to be learned. I'm speculating (apologies) but this *seems* pretty similar to the Penrith collision (report) - RAIB sometimes won't report on similar incidents if the learning points are the same ("sometimes" being the important word here - they are, for example, investigating the second derailment at Angerstein Wharf). Thankful no one was hurt in any case - with this and the Langworth derailment there have been a pair of rather spectacular incidents in the last few weeks. Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 11:02 #74695 | |
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Jersey_Mike
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" said:The long comment sounds much more sensible than the others - but an RAIB investigation is not a sure thing; they'll only go if there are lessons to be learned.Not a sure thing? They wrote up a full investigation when a luggage trolley rolled off a platform at Kings Cross. Quote: “Once the derailed wagons have been recovered the repair work will take approximately three days to complete."So I just got finished watching that 2012 series on railways in Britain and I was shocked by how little resiliency there was. Any little problem and the service would go to hell or just be canceled entirely. For comparison, this happened on 3pm on a Wednesday and trains were running by Saturday afternoon. CSX, literally the worst/slowest major railroad in North America, got things moving in under 72 hours. They didn't even bother to replace the signal that got crushed before trains started to roll. (Of course then it took nearly a year for the city to fix 26th St.) If that had happened in the UK I'm sure there probably would have been two separate investigations since road vehicles were involved in the landslide. 
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| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 11:10 #74696 | |
headshot119
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" said:" said:RAIB only tend to investigate if new points can be learned. Though there can be exceptions to that.The long comment sounds much more sensible than the others - but an RAIB investigation is not a sure thing; they'll only go if there are lessons to be learned.Not a sure thing? They wrote up a full investigation when a luggage trolley rolled off a platform at Kings Cross. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 11:22 #74697 | |
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Jersey_Mike
250 posts |
" said:Well they won't know unless they investigate. 
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| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 11:27 #74698 | |
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Southernrover
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[b]Reproduced below is the first paragraph from the RAIBs own advice to operators:[/b] On being notified of an accident or incident, our normal approach is to obtain sufficient further detail to decide how to respond. Our response will be influenced by: whether the investigation is mandated by law whether there is important evidence at the scene whether it is part of a trend the safety issues at stake For accidents or incidents that are in scope and where there is perishable evidence or evidence that needs to be recorded or secured before releasing the site back to the industry, inspectors are deployed to the site to conduct a preliminary examination. We employ inspectors and principal inspectors with either a professional railway or investigation background, and who have been given extensive and bespoke training concerning railway operations, railway engineering and investigation skills. A little bit more than just investigating only if there's lessons to be learned. Rick Last edited: 03/08/2015 at 11:55 by Southernrover Log in to reply The following user said thank you: RainbowNines |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 11:52 #74699 | |
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RainbowNines
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" said:" said:Well, er... No they didn't.The long comment sounds much more sensible than the others - but an RAIB investigation is not a sure thing; they'll only go if there are lessons to be learned.Not a sure thing? They wrote up a full investigation when a luggage trolley rolled off a platform at Kings Cross.  You may be thinking of a combined report where a wheelchair and pram, both containing people, rolled off platforms at Southend and Whyteleafe respectively. The lady in the wheelchair suffered a fractured hip, and was removed from the track only a few seconds before a train arrived. The pram missed the conductor rail by inches, and was only removed from the track a minute or two before a train arrived. The baby (who had a medical condition) was fortunately only bruised and scratched. These are serious events and clearly, RAIB considered recommendations and learning points could be taken from them. Indeed, the widespread action taken as a result of the report suggests there was an underlying problem. See Southernrover's post for their review process. You'll note they conduct a preliminary investigation in many cases. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 03/08/2015 at 11:53 by RainbowNines Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 12:12 #74700 | |
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Muzer
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" said:You may be thinking of a combined report where a wheelchair and pram, both containing people, rolled off platforms at Southend and Whyteleafe respectively.Probably with a bit of this mixed in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellingborough_rail_accident Interestingly enough, the lessons learned from both accidents are rather similar. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: RainbowNines |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 12:18 #74701 | |
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RainbowNines
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" said:" said:Oh yes I read about that in Red for Danger and didn't make the connection! 115 years later and it happens again... Hmm!You may be thinking of a combined report where a wheelchair and pram, both containing people, rolled off platforms at Southend and Whyteleafe respectively.Probably with a bit of this mixed in: Last edited: 03/08/2015 at 12:18 by RainbowNines Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 14:28 #74702 | |
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Jersey_Mike
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" said:Quote:I read the report. It came out around February of this year. The trolley rolled off the platform and was struck by a train at one of the major London terminals.Well, er... No they didn't. Last edited: 03/08/2015 at 16:56 by Jersey_Mike Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 14:52 #74703 | |
Steamer
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" said:" said:Any chance of a link? I've checked the 2015 investigations page, and none of them involve a trolley. The only incident at a London terminus was the derailment of a train at Paddington, due to a combination of a defective bogie and defective track. Nothing in 2014 either, only London incident was a derailment on leaving Liverpool Street, again due to defective track." said:I read the report. It came out around February of this year. The trolley rolled off the platform and was struck by a train at one of the major London terminals.Well, er... No they didn't. Are you sure it wasn't a news article? "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 03/08/2015 at 14:56 by Steamer Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 17:20 #74704 | |
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Jersey_Mike
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" said:I'm looking at: https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports?keywords=&railway_type[]=heavy-rail&railway_type[]=light-rail&railway_type[]=metros&railway_type[]=heritage-railways&report_type[]=investigation-report&report_type[]=bulletin&report_type[]=interim-report&report_type[]=discontinuation-report&date_of_occurrence[from]=&date_of_occurrence[to]=] ...which has similar reports on minor incidents, but I can't find the one I remember reading. It would have gone out on the RAIB e-mail a day or two before Feb 19th, 2015. Unfortunately I didn't save the e-mails after I read the report. I'm sure it existed because it was in the same style as their other reports and the "learning points" included bits about making sure trolleys were not left unattended on platforms. I think the website and e-mail system was changed a few months ago. Perhaps someone saved the alerts and can look through them. Last edited: 03/08/2015 at 17:22 by Jersey_Mike Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 17:23 #74705 | |
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Muzer
718 posts |
I do save the email alerts. This was the only alert I got about a published report in February this year: https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/fatal-accident-involving-a-track-worker-near-newark-north-gate-station There were also two alerts about investigations commencing in February. These were: * Passenger train colliding with platform edge coping stones passing through Moston station * Passenger train fire at Windsor. None of these are anything to do with a trolley at a London terminal. I can think of three possibilies: * It wasn't in Britain * It wasn't a RAIB report (perhaps there was a report published by, say, a TOC (do any TOCs publish accident reports?)) * You dreamt it. Last edited: 03/08/2015 at 17:26 by Muzer Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 18:08 #74706 | |
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TomOF
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Did you mean this? https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/runaway-permanent-way-trolley-at-notting-hill-gate Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 03/08/2015 at 19:06 #74707 | |
Peter Bennet
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I recall one evening at Paddington a number of years ago a line of BRUTEs was being manoeuvred around one of the platforms and I watched as first one and then another and another tip off the platform in front of the Cheltenham express while it awaited departure. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 04/08/2015 at 10:58 #74715 | |
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Jersey_Mike
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" said:Did you mean this?I might have conflated the wheelchair incident with the "train hits slightly misaligned platform edge" incident. Still, both are fairly minor compared to an actual collision between trains. Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 04/08/2015 at 11:03 #74716 | |
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RainbowNines
272 posts |
Both still have recommendations and learning points that could stop them happening again. The baby in the pushchair might have only been cut and bruised this time. Say this wasn't investigated and was left down to "passenger error"... What happens next time when a pram rolls onto the track into the path of a train not stopping. Does it take a death before we should take it seriously? Because personally I'd rather things be nipped in the bud before it gets to that. Log in to reply |
| Trains crash near Cumnock in Ayrshire 14/08/2015 at 13:11 #75113 | |
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RainbowNines
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This topic got off the subject, but turns out RAIB do consider the incident worthy of investigation: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/collision-at-logan Log in to reply The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton |