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| Tyneside Default Timetable 26/08/2016 at 20:33 #84285 | |
Splodge
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Minor bug with the 0000 start WTT - Around 0745 I have two 4M21s and a 4M33 all enter from Northallerton, all sharing the same path. I'd guess there is a missing rule somewhere.
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| Tyneside Default Timetable 28/08/2016 at 12:28 #84359 | |
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Splodge
719 posts |
4S09 and two 4S14s all entered at Norton Jct on a triplicated path. Trains joining in 7/8 and 5/6 are stopping to perform station duties but not moving up beyond the signal when given a calling on route, even if the full route is set before they enter the station. There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: officer dibble |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 30/08/2016 at 17:35 #84426 | |
Class 92
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I have both 4S90 and 6S90 in the area at the same time and they have the same TT path. Should a rule be in the timetable so only one of these runs?
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| Tyneside Default Timetable 31/08/2016 at 19:44 #84441 | |
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chrisdmadd
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Only a minor one but 0N05 should be in the provincial siding not on the slow line at NCL. There will definitely be TT clashes with that sat where it is until 08:45 Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 01/09/2016 at 02:36 #84445 | |
BarryM
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Strangely 0N05 04:45 TT does not seed when EXTRA ARS and EASY are selected. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 01/09/2016 at 03:29 #84446 | |
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Kage
65 posts |
Should 6X52 enter on the Norton Branch? It's first location is Darlington, but it's set to enter from Northallerton..
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| Tyneside Default Timetable 02/09/2016 at 00:41 #84456 | |
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BarryM
2158 posts |
" said:Only a minor one but 0N05 should be in the provincial siding not on the slow line at NCL.You can let 0N05 depart anytime! Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 02/09/2016 at 10:30 #84458 | |
Steamer
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" said:" said:In real life, the driver wouldn't be available until much nearer departure time. The loco in question would never be stabled on the slow line.Only a minor one but 0N05 should be in the provincial siding not on the slow line at NCL.You can let 0N05 depart anytime! "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 03/09/2016 at 03:09 #84478 | |
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BarryM
2158 posts |
6H90's ( 11:59/12:43 DGL Pelaw Main) stopping position needs adjusting to allow its engine to re-join and not block the Down line. It is set at FX in the timetable. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 03/09/2016 at 17:55 #84490 | |
ajax103
1120 posts |
Just to learn the network, I decided to run a light engine (a Class 68, yes I know they were not around then) from Heaton Depot to Heaton Depot via Darlington and Sunderland with the following pattern, now the sim said it was validated okay with no issues but when it got to signal 122 at Greensfield Jcn it decided it was wrong routed and didn't want to go to Sunderland. Heaton Depot: 00:30 Heaton South Depot: 00/40 Newcastle: 00/50 Plat 3 KEB South Jcn: 00/55 Low Fell Jcn: 01/00 Birtley Jcn: 01/05 Ouston: 01/10 Durham: 01D15 Plat 1 Tursdale Jcn: 01/20 Ferryhill South Jcn: 01/30 Darlington: 01:40 to 01D45 Plat 4B Aycliffe: 01/50 Ferryhill South Jcn: 01/55 Tursdale Jcn: 02/00 Durham: 02/25 DM Ouston: 02/10 Birtley Jcn: 02/15 Low Fell Jcn: 02/20 KEB South Jcn: 02/25 KEB East Jcn: 02/30 Greensfield Jcn: 02:35 Park Lane Jcn: 02/40 Pelaw Jcn: 02/45 Sunderland: 02:50 to 03D00 Plat 1 Pelaw Jcn: 03/10 Park Lane Jcn: 03/15 High Level Bridge Jcn: 03/25 Newcastle: 03:35 to 03D45 Plat 4 Heaton South Jcn: 03/55 Heaton Depot: 04:00 My question is twofold; one are light engines banned from High Level Bridge Jcn to Sunderland and return, two why is the ARS wrong routing the train and ignoring the calling pattern? Lastly is there any fault with the stopping pattern? Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 03/09/2016 at 19:53 #84491 | |
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Steamer
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" said:Just to learn the network, I decided to run a light engine (a Class 68, yes I know they were not around then) from Heaton Depot to Heaton Depot via Darlington and Sunderland with the following pattern, now the sim said it was validated okay with no issues but when it got to signal 122 at Greensfield Jcn it decided it was wrong routed and didn't want to go to Sunderland.I'm confused- is ARS wrong-routing the train, or is the train phoning in complaining about a wrong route? If it's the latter, I suspect the wrong-route code is only seeing the Newcastle stop later in the timetable and not accounting for the reversal at Sunderland. Quote: Lastly is there any fault with the stopping pattern?If the TT validates, there's no problem with it. Quote: are light engines banned from High Level Bridge Jcn to SunderlandNothing mentioned in the manual, and I'm fairly sure the default TT has a light engine move over the line. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 03/09/2016 at 19:53 by Steamer Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 03/09/2016 at 20:25 #84494 | |
postal
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There is a long-standing ARS issue where a train follows a circular route and retraces its steps over part of the same route which may be causing this. It first came to light with the Fife Circles when the original Edinburgh .exe was released IIRC. If that is the root cause, the fudge as I remember it is to make the train non-ARS until it gets away towards Low Fell then I think it is safe to reinstate the ARS. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 03/09/2016 at 23:44 #84497 | |
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ajax103
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" said:" said:1. The driver rings in complaining wrong route even though the correct route has been set.Just to learn the network, I decided to run a light engine (a Class 68, yes I know they were not around then) from Heaton Depot to Heaton Depot via Darlington and Sunderland with the following pattern, now the sim said it was validated okay with no issues but when it got to signal 122 at Greensfield Jcn it decided it was wrong routed and didn't want to go to Sunderland.I'm confused- is ARS wrong-routing the train, or is the train phoning in complaining about a wrong route? If it's the latter, I suspect the wrong-route code is only seeing the Newcastle stop later in the timetable and not accounting for the reversal at Sunderland. 2. As I thought, just wanted a second opinion. 3. Again, not a area I'm familiar with - am aware of a issue with Class 91s though. " said: There is a long-standing ARS issue where a train follows a circular route and retraces its steps over part of the same route which may be causing this. It first came to light with the Fife Circles when the original Edinburgh .exe was released IIRC.I wasn't aware of the Edinburgh issue so will make it non ARS to resolve the issue. Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 04/09/2016 at 01:32 #84498 | |
GeoffM
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So it's not ARS wrong routing the train; the train is complaining about getting to Newcastle. That will be fixed. Light engines are allowed over the HLB but note the manual regarding multiple locos on the bridge at the same time. This isn't a circular routing as such - the train does not, as far as I can tell, traverse the same section of track in the same direction more than once (opposite direction on the opposite running line on double track is a different set of routes and TD berths so it's ok). The issue with circular routes (for example, going past the same signal twice) is a real world problem too, present on IECC ARS and TRESA. Basically unless the TD is interposed before the common section, ARS does not know whether it's the first time past the signal or the second. IIRC the logic in IECC ARS, TRESA, and SimSig is to jump to the last instance when no prior information is known (eg interposed at the common signal). Another instance of this is a train that goes Metro Centre - Greensfield - Newcastle - Park Lane - Pelaw where the train is routed manually off-route over the HLB (right hand track to access platforms 1/2/3/4 etc) and made ARS while on the HLB. ARS sees the berth it's in and thinks it's on its way out of Newcastle towards Park Lane, rather than on its way into Newcastle from Greensfield. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 04/09/2016 at 12:16 #84502 | |
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tjtbcork
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4S08 and 4S60 have just entered with the same TT. Should they be alternatives?
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| Tyneside Default Timetable 04/09/2016 at 16:09 #84504 | |
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officer dibble
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Have you updated your TT to v1.1? As in TT v1.1 4S08 & 4S60 have the required rule to alleviate the duplicate entry issue.
When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 04/09/2016 at 16:14 #84505 | |
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tjtbcork
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" said:Have you updated your TT to v1.1? As in TT v1.1 4S08 & 4S60 have the required rule to alleviate the duplicate entry issue.Yip, I'm up to date. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: officer dibble |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 04/09/2016 at 16:22 #84506 | |
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officer dibble
409 posts |
Oooh, I'll take a look at the TT to see what is occuring. Cheers for the heads-up.
When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Log in to reply The following user said thank you: tjtbcork |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 04/09/2016 at 17:03 #84508 | |
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Sacro
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" said:" said:Have you started a new game with the new timetable, only I've just checked and that rule is certainly there.Have you updated your TT to v1.1? As in TT v1.1 4S08 & 4S60 have the required rule to alleviate the duplicate entry issue.Yip, I'm up to date. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: tjtbcork |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 04/09/2016 at 20:08 #84509 | |
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tjtbcork
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" said:" said:Eh Sorry. Was playing a save. The rule is there when I start a new game." said:Have you started a new game with the new timetable, only I've just checked and that rule is certainly there.Have you updated your TT to v1.1? As in TT v1.1 4S08 & 4S60 have the required rule to alleviate the duplicate entry issue.Yip, I'm up to date. Sorry again. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: officer dibble |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 04/09/2016 at 20:45 #84510 | |
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Splodge
719 posts |
Using the latest TT, 6E74 and 4M12 both appear from Northallerton on the same path.
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| Tyneside Default Timetable 04/09/2016 at 21:47 #84511 | |
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officer dibble
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" said:Using the latest TT, 6E74 and 4M12 both appear from Northallerton on the same path.Strange as 6E74 in 1.1 is showing as an alternative with 4N12. I'll do a spot of digging to see whats happened. I cannot find a 4M12 in the Tyneside TT. Ah ha! Found out the problem. That being said, here are v1.1 of the TT I have attached below. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Last edited: 04/09/2016 at 21:50 by officer dibble Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 05/09/2016 at 15:17 #84529 | |
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Splodge
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" said:Trains joining in 7/8 and 5/6 are stopping to perform station duties but not moving up beyond the signal when given a calling on route, even if the full route is set before they enter the station.Still having this issue in Sim v1.1 with TT v1.1 - the trains stop, perform duties and will happily sit there looking for a train which is in the platform ahead whilst they also have a route. I know call-on routes often will not clear until the train is close, but presumably this would happen before the train stops (with the train crew expecting it as their docket will tell them the join will be occuring). There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway. Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 10/09/2016 at 21:12 #84672 | |
northroad
872 posts |
On the 00:00 Working timetable 6H64 has the arrival time un-ticked but the departure time ticked at Birtley Junction. As a result of this it does not stop here but passes without stopping. Should it be held here and if so the departure time needs amending to not show a tick. As it has an arrival and departure time I presume t should stop here. Geoff Last edited: 10/09/2016 at 21:16 by northroad Log in to reply |
| Tyneside Default Timetable 05/01/2018 at 13:18 #104833 | |
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Kage
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I can't seem to download the 1.1 timetables. Can they be reuploaded?
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