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| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 11/11/2016 at 21:12 #87297 | |
Steamer
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This timetable has been uploaded, approved and can be found here. I plan to upload a compatible timetable for Huyton, when the 2014 mode for the latter simulation is fixed. Description A timetable for the Edge Hill area, set in 2016. All times taken from Open Train Times and Real Time Trains, with freight headcodes from RTT (for GBRF workings), online WTT (where possible), or else guessed. Passenger rolling stock information taken from various sources, some of which are slightly out of date. Stock for EMT is guessed based on obersvations of these trains. Service pattern: Northern Rail (NT) The main operator at Lime Street, Northern Rail operate the following: 2tph Lime St- Manchester Oxford Road, via Hunts Cross, calling at most stations 2tph Lime St- Wigan North Western, calling at all stations 1tph Liverpool South Parkway- Preston, calling only at Huyton and St Helens between Liverpool and Wigan. 1tph Lime St- Manchester Airport, limited stop 1tph Lime St- Manchester Victoria, all stops 1tph Lime St- Warrington Bank Quay, all stops All services with the exception of Oxford Road stoppers are formed of Class 319s. Oxford Road services are formed of a mix of Classes 142, 150 and 156, with some workings paired. Warrington BQ services run to Manchester in the peaks, Liverpool South Parkway and some Oxford Road services only run to/from Liverpool and Warrington Central respectively in the peaks. TransPennine Express (TP) 1tph Lime Street- Newcastle via Huyton 1tph Lime Street- Scarborough via Hunts Cross All services formed of Class 185 DMUs, running in pairs on peak time Scarborough workings London Midland (LM) 2tph Lime Street- Birmingham New Street All services formed of single Class 350s, of varying sub-classes. East Midlands Trains (EM) 1tph Lime Street- Norwich via Hunts Cross All services formed of pairs of Classs 158 units (one unit is detached/attached at Nottingham) Virgin Trains (VT) 1tph Lime Street- London Euston Formed of a mix of 9 and 11 car Class 390s. Freight Main traffic flows are containers to Ditton and Garston, along with Cars to both Halewood and Garston. Additionally, waste traffic to the incinerator at Runcorn uses the Folly Lane branch. With Fiddlers Ferry power station closing, there are no coal trains serving the power station, with a sole Gyspum working to the site. Coal and Biomass traffic is still present on the Liverpool Docks branch, bound for Drax. Other Notes Descriptions use the template system- alter the template below to customise the description format. The lines towards Wigan and Manchester have no passing loops and lots of stations. As such, you'll find stopping services booked to depart just after limited stop services- try to ensure this order is maintained. As there is no coal traffic to Fiddlers Ferry, Monks Sidings and Fiddlers Ferry boxes are very quiet, with just 3 trains in each direction. As such, I'd reccommend these boxes be linked with others when allocating panels in Multiplay. Please feel free to post any questions, problems or bugs on the Forum. Enjoy! "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 11/11/2016 at 23:31 by Steamer Reason: . Log in to reply The following users said thank you: jc92, HST125Scorton, sloppyjag, ozrail, BarryM |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 12/11/2016 at 17:52 #87311 | |
sloppyjag
480 posts |
Some of the trains reversing into Ditton O'Connors need the stopping position defined at Ditton Reception (N or NX) otherwise they will stop overhanging Ditton East Jn and require a bit of faffing about to get them into O'Connors. 4M64 was first I encountered this with but I think 4M59 and 4M45 will encounter same issue unless amended - all others appear to have stopping position defined. Otherwise, still early o'clock in timetable but enjoying so far. Edit: 6M14 headed for Ditton Foundry Lane will likely need a stopping position added as well. Planotransitophobic! Last edited: 12/11/2016 at 20:20 by sloppyjag Reason: Further info Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Steamer |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 13/11/2016 at 20:51 #87324 | |
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Steamer
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sloppyjag in post 87311 said:Some of the trains reversing into Ditton O'Connors need the stopping position defined at Ditton Reception (N or NX) otherwise they will stop overhanging Ditton East Jn and require a bit of faffing about to get them into O'Connors. 4M64 was first I encountered this with but I think 4M59 and 4M45 will encounter same issue unless amended - all others appear to have stopping position defined.That's annoying- I thought I'd sorted all those during testing. Thanks for reporting, fixed for next release. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 13/11/2016 at 21:08 #87325 | |
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mackeral1234
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Doesnt overhang is send into Ditton Reception Sdg3.
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| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 19/11/2016 at 16:55 #88410 | |
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joshuapopelewis
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"As there is no coal traffic to Fiddlers Ferry, Monks Sidings and Fiddlers Ferry boxes are very quiet, with just 3 trains in each direction. As such, I'd reccommend these boxes be linked with others when allocating panels in Multiplay." I work at Warrington MDU and there is defiantly a coal train that still goes into Fiddlers, and I still inspect the track, the power station hasn't shut down, its running on half power...thats at least what we've been told! "There's a right way, a wrong way and the 'railway'" Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 19/11/2016 at 16:58 #88411 | |
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joshuapopelewis
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The signallers at Ditton Signalbox always route these trains into number 3, then they do fit. Also, getting the pilot locos that I watch every so often into the timetable would be nice instead if the train being projectiled. Gutted however that Warrington Bank Quay/Acton Grange and the DB Schenker sidings aren't on this sim! Maybe a future update?!! "There's a right way, a wrong way and the 'railway'" Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 19/11/2016 at 20:47 #88414 | |
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Steamer
3985 posts |
joshuapopelewis in post 88410 said:"As there is no coal traffic to Fiddlers Ferry, Monks Sidings and Fiddlers Ferry boxes are very quiet, with just 3 trains in each direction. As such, I'd reccommend these boxes be linked with others when allocating panels in Multiplay."When I was writing the timetable (around February), there were no coal trains running at all- presumably they were burning through the stockpile, and I believe there was uncertainty as to the future of the power station at the time. Either way, the trains you see are what actually ran one day on 03/02/2016. joshuapopelewis said: The signallers at Ditton Signalbox always route these trains into number 3, then they do fit. Also, getting the pilot locos that I watch every so often into the timetable would be nice instead if the train being projectiled.If you can tell me what the usual practice is for a typical train at Ditton, I'll modify the timetable. I don't know much about the terminal, I simply followed the example of the default TT which had trains being propelled in and piloted out. joshuapopelewis said: Gutted however that Warrington Bank Quay/Acton Grange and the DB Schenker sidings aren't on this sim!Those would fall under the remit of a Warrington PSB simulation. I'm also hoping that's developed at some stage! "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 19/11/2016 at 20:47 by Steamer Reason: . Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 19/11/2016 at 23:27 #88416 | |
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joshuapopelewis
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Steamer in post 88414 said:When I was writing the timetable (around February), there were no coal trains running at all- presumably they were burning through the stockpile, and I believe there was uncertainty as to the future of the power station at the time. Either way, the trains you see are what actually ran one day on 03/02/2016. Ah okay I see, well yes as an FYI they are now running some into the Power Station. Steamer in post 88414 said: If you can tell me what the usual practice is for a typical train at Ditton, I'll modify the timetable. I don't know much about the terminal, I simply followed the example of the default TT which had trains being propelled in and piloted out. Next time I am there I will make a note of the movements made, this will be sometime in the next 2 weeks. Steamer in post 88414 said: Those would fall under the remit of a Warrington PSB simulation. I'm also hoping that's developed at some stage! That would be fab!! If it is to be developed and anyone is in need of any assistance, Signal Plans, TT data, proof-checking then I am here to assist, some local knowledge available to use!! Anyway, thanks for this fab sim/TT, if you want any help in the future maybe with some Possession Scenarios, or blockages/VSTP trains, let me know, I will hussle some info for you! "There's a right way, a wrong way and the 'railway'" Last edited: 19/11/2016 at 23:31 by joshuapopelewis Reason: ** Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 02/03/2017 at 18:51 #93448 | |
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Steamer
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Version 1.1 has been released. This corrects the stopping issue, and a couple of other minor tweaks. "Joshuapopelewis" never got back to me, so movements at Ditton are unchanged. If he, or anyone else, can provide details that can make these moves more realistic, let me know and I'll include them. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: HST125Scorton |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 26/03/2017 at 18:41 #94126 | |
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joshuapopelewis
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Shoot! Apologies for that i completely forgot! Been a hectic time! I am at Ditton on Tuesday, I will note them down then. Thanks! "There's a right way, a wrong way and the 'railway'" Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 06/12/2020 at 21:37 #134419 | |
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Steamer
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Version 2.0 is now available to download here: https://www.SimSig.co.uk/File/Details/985 This version fixes the issue at Fiddlers Ferry with the flyash service. Changes have also been made to the entry points at Ditton AHC and Runcorn Folly Lane; the timetable has been updated to reflect this so trains from these locations should now appear. I've also taken the opportunity to use seed groups- there's only one WTT file, from which you can select the 04:45 start on start-up. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following users said thank you: andyallen4014, BarryM |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 13/12/2020 at 13:56 #134679 | |
BarryM
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I am running this timetable with the 15th October 2009 scenario. This scenario involves a possession of the Up and Down Ditton Slow lines at Ditton. The possession item 63 is taken automatically at Startup, okay. At 05:45 the PICOP advised the possession could be released. The release did not occur automatically. Apart from using F11 to release each track section, how is this release supposed to work? BarryM Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Last edited: 13/12/2020 at 14:18 by BarryM Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 13/12/2020 at 14:09 #134681 | |
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Steamer
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BarryM in post 134679 said:Just to be clear, I offer no guarantee that there are no conflicts between this timetable and the possession. Use at your own risk. To answer the question, you have to release the TC and signal isolations yourself, they don't clear automatically. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 13/12/2020 at 14:10 by Steamer Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: BarryM |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 13/12/2020 at 14:39 #134683 | |
DriverCurran
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Barry The trains in the 2009 timetable would be planned around the possession in force. It should be noted that in other timetables trains may be timetabled through the possession on the basis that the Down and Up Slow lines may not be under possession in 2016 on the day that the timetable is based on. Those of us that have produced 15/10/2009 possession scenarios have had the timetables written to include any STP workings that will have trains terminating short / cancelled to prevent being booked through the booked possessions. With regards to removing the block reminders, then this is down to the user using the F11 for each signal, point and track section affected. The sim applies the reminders on the basis the player may not know the requirements for the blocking points, so by getting the sim to apply them for the user there can be no possession irregularities. Paul You have to get a red before you can get any other colour Last edited: 13/12/2020 at 14:41 by DriverCurran Reason: Added info on why sim applies possession but user removes Log in to reply The following user said thank you: BarryM |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 17/12/2020 at 21:55 #134836 | |
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BarryM
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The driver of train 1F07 did not question the route at LE10/LE8 Wavertree Jn Up Main timetabled to cross to the UP SLOW to terminate at P4 Liverpool South Parkway! BarryM Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 17/12/2020 at 21:55 #134837 | |
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BarryM
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The driver of train 1F07 did not question the route at LE10/LE8 Wavertree Jn Up Main timetabled to cross to the UP SLOW to terminate at P4 Liverpool South Parkway! BarryM Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 17/12/2020 at 22:00 #134838 | |
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Steamer
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Please can you start a new thread to report sim issues, rather than tagging them on to a thread for a specific timetable? I'm not sure whether it's possible, or indeed desirable, to make the driver query the route in this circumstance. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: BarryM |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 17/12/2020 at 22:50 #134840 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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I’m going to guess without having looked at the sim for this issue specifically that if Liverpool South Parkway is the next location it wouldn’t normally challenge the route dependent on which platform it’s given unless it cannot get to a location beyond, if it’s booked to terminate it wouldn’t have a next location beyond.
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| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 18/12/2020 at 00:14 #134843 | |
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BarryM
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Steamer in post 134838 said:Please can you start a new thread to report sim issues, rather than tagging them on to a thread for a specific timetable? Ric, all my reports are relating to your 2016 timetable. Do you want me to do something differently? While I've got you, What do you think is preventing Ok46 from entering Garston FLT at 07:54? BarryM Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 18/12/2020 at 04:39 #134844 | |
GeoffM
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BarryM in post 134843 said:Steamer in post 134838 said:Wrong route logic is sim data, not timetable data. I appreciate that distinction is probably not known to users.Please can you start a new thread to report sim issues, rather than tagging them on to a thread for a specific timetable? SimSig Boss Log in to reply The following users said thank you: BarryM, Trainfan344 |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 18/12/2020 at 18:54 #134876 | |
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Steamer
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BarryM in post 134843 said:
It appears that Garston FLT has given you permission for a train to enter the sidings, which is preventing any train from entering the simulation there. I'm not sure how this has come about as there's no train to Garston FLT in the simulation at the time of your save. Did you do anything unusual with 4M42, the last train to go in to Garston? In any case, phone Garston, instruct them to cancel all acceptances, and the train will enter. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 18/12/2020 at 18:54 by Steamer Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: BarryM |
| Edge Hill 2016 WTT 13/01/2021 at 19:16 #136380 | |
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Chromatix
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A quirk is that light engines booked to run around at Church Lane should *not* call to enter the terminal, but merely be signalled in and out. If you *do* call, the terminal will issue a permit but not cancel it when the engine proceeds. That may be what happened here. Instead, call to have the whole train enter the terminal, and use that as the permit for both the light engine and the full train in sequence. Log in to reply |