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| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 16/12/2016 at 16:46 #90946 | |
MarkC
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I just started a hosting session in 1980's mode on Motherwell and have found it is not possible to set a route to shunting signal M315. Routes can be set from it, but not to it, tested and it is the same in 1990's era, but all is fine in the 2000's TORR was on, but ARS Was OFF The only refereance to this issue is mentioned about 1 year ago, but found nothing about it since. https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/40887 I am using the latest loader and Motherwell is on version 4.2 Build 3 Last edited: 17/12/2016 at 00:39 by MarkC Reason: Added info Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 16/12/2016 at 20:50 #90947 | |
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Noisynoel
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Set a route FROM 315 prior to setting a route TO 315
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| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 16/12/2016 at 21:00 #90948 | |
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MarkC
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Noisynoel in post 90947 said:Set a route FROM 315 prior to setting a route TO 315Have tried that and I get the message No overlap availible Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 16/12/2016 at 22:23 #90950 | |
Dick
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I've never managed to get it to work in the past, had to PSAD everything.
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| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 17/12/2016 at 00:25 #90954 | |
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MarkC
1105 posts |
mark265 in post 90948 said:Noisynoel in post 90947 said:I have tried setting the following routes to sig M315Set a route FROM 315 prior to setting a route TO 315Have tried that and I get the message No overlap availible From Sig M317 No overlap availible From Sig M321 No overlap availible From Sig M323 No overlap availible I have set the route from M315 to M301 then set route in rear From Sig M317 No overlap availible From Sig M321 No overlap availible From Sig M323 No overlap availible I have set the route from M315 to M313 then set route in rear From Sig M317 Conficting Subroute (expected that) From Sig M321 route sets From Sig M323 route sets I have set the route from M315 to M299 then set route in rear From Sig M317 No overlap availible From Sig M321 No overlap availible From Sig M323 No overlap availible I have set the route from M315 to M297 then set route in rear From Sig M317 No overlap availible From Sig M321 No overlap availible From Sig M323 No overlap availible I have set the route from M315 to M295 then set route in rear From Sig M317 No overlap availible From Sig M321 No overlap availible From Sig M323 No overlap availible All the routes have been tested in the 1980's era Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 17/12/2016 at 07:49 #90958 | |
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Noisynoel
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wait for the train to stop on 321 and for the white route lights of the overlap to drop out. Then Set the route from 315 to say 313 then set the route from 313 to 315. Works fine for all routes for me. Routes in to the Up reception sidings need to be routed via 313, NOT direct. Noisynoel Last edited: 17/12/2016 at 07:50 by Noisynoel Reason: missed a bit Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 17/12/2016 at 13:41 #90962 | |
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MarkC
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Noisynoel in post 90958 said:wait for the train to stop on 321 and for the white route lights of the overlap to drop out. Then Set the route from 315 to say 313 then set the route from 313 to 315. Works fine for all routes for me.I have 0M16E On up north curve Sig M317 so setting the way you suggested I set M315 to M301 (this part sets) then set route in rear M317 to M315 (No overlap availible) I have tried and tired this does not work, except if I talk him passed the signal. I am runing in the 1980's era More Info Even tho there is no TT for the 1990's era have go though trying to set signals as my 3rd post in this tread (my post above this one) and I get the exact same results Last edited: 17/12/2016 at 14:46 by MarkC Reason: Removed info Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 17/12/2016 at 15:43 #90965 | |
Peter Bennet
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Looks like the next version will not feature this issue. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: MarkC |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 00:39 #90986 | |
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bill_gensheet
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I believe it is OK when you let ARS run itself, or that is what I recall from testing but just possibly that was a different version Bill Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 00:41 #90987 | |
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bill_gensheet
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A 1990 timetable is happening, if rather slowly as there's train length conflicts with the Edinburgh it should chain to. Bill Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 14:27 #90990 | |
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MarkC
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I have been trying to set routes from Mossend UP REC's (1,2 and 3 [sigs M322, M318 and M316]) to Sig M358, It Tells me 'Route Not Available', there are No other sigs in the way, I am in the 1980's era, TORR ON, ARS OFF Latest loader and Motherwell 4.2 build 3 Have included a save game Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 15:20 #90991 | |
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MarkC
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I can't find anything relating to this. I have signalled a train from Ravenscraig No4 to Sig M503 so it can reverse into Ravenscraig No2 the train (0L87) appears to have stopped ahead of M506 (shunt Signal in to Ravenscraig No2 (the route does set tho) Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 19/12/2016 at 15:21 by MarkC Reason: Edited Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 20:45 #91004 | |
BarryM
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mark265 in post 90991 said:I can't find anything relating to this.I do not think you will find anything about this. There is nothing wrong with it. I know the signal appears to be in an incorrect location. Unfortunately that is the only location that the signal could be placed considering the dimensions of the layout and that no signals were placed by Network Rail in between main running lines Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Last edited: 19/12/2016 at 20:50 by BarryM Reason: add Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 20:47 #91005 | |
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MarkC
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BarryM in post 91004 said:mark265 in post 90991 said:thanks, I found it strange as in most cases the TC in rear is the one occupiedI can't find anything relating to this.I do not think you will find anything about this. There is nothing wrong with it. I know the signal appears to be in an incorrect location. Unfortunately that is the only location that the signal could be placed considering the dimensions of the layout. Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 20:52 #91006 | |
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MarkC
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I am routing train from Motherwell to Wishaw Via Shieldmuir JN (1980's era) on wks 4 I can set the route to M516 but on clicking on the triangle near Wishaw does not set the route further. on wks5 there is nothing to set the route from that brach to Wishaw. its strange as an SimSignaller would have to operate signals not on his panel.
Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 19/12/2016 at 20:53 by MarkC Reason: Edited Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 21:37 #91009 | |
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BarryM
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mark265 in post 90990 said:I have been trying to set routes from Mossend UP REC's (1,2 and 3 [sigs M322, M318 and M316]) to Sig M358, It Tells me 'Route Not Available', there are No other sigs in the way, I am in the 1980's era, TORR ON, ARS OFFI found no problem setting these routes in my Motherwell. I note your problem in your save. Run a new Motherwell with no timetable and see if you can set these routes? If not, I suggest that you reinstall Motherwell and see if it fixes the problem. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 21:42 #91010 | |
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MarkC
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BarryM in post 91009 said:mark265 in post 90990 said:That problem is a strange one, as since then I have been able to set routes from them, although many less trains in the areaI have been trying to set routes from Mossend UP REC's (1,2 and 3 [sigs M322, M318 and M316]) to Sig M358, It Tells me 'Route Not Available', there are No other sigs in the way, I am in the 1980's era, TORR ON, ARS OFFI found no problem setting these routes in my Motherwell. I note your problem in your save. Run a new Motherwell with no timetable and see if you can set these routes? If not, I suggest that you reinstall Motherwell and see if it fixes the problem. Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 21:48 #91011 | |
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BarryM
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BarryM in post 91009 said:mark265 in post 90990 said:Further testing of your save, I found that there is no problem in setting these routes once 6M34 clears the points at the down end of the REC roads.I have been trying to set routes from Mossend UP REC's (1,2 and 3 [sigs M322, M318 and M316]) to Sig M358, It Tells me 'Route Not Available', there are No other sigs in the way, I am in the 1980's era, TORR ON, ARS OFFI found no problem setting these routes in my Motherwell. I note your problem in your save. Run a new Motherwell with no timetable and see if you can set these routes? If not, I suggest that you reinstall Motherwell and see if it fixes the problem. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply The following user said thank you: MarkC |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 21:57 #91012 | |
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Peter Bennet
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mark265 in post 90991 said:I can't find anything relating to this.Looks can be deceptive! Actually it's a style guide breach, the TC should be a bit longer. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 22:02 #91013 | |
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MarkC
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Peter Bennet in post 91012 said:mark265 in post 90991 said:Whats a 'style guide breach' I've never heard that term beforeI can't find anything relating to this.Looks can be deceptive! Actually it's a style guide breach, the TC should be a bit longer. Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 22:16 #91014 | |
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Peter Bennet
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mark265 in post 91006 said:I am routing train from Motherwell to Wishaw Via Shieldmuir JN (1980's era) on wks 4 I can set the route to M516 but on clicking on the triangle near Wishaw does not set the route further. on wks5 there is nothing to set the route from that brach to Wishaw. its strange as an SimSignaller would have to operate signals not on his panel.Yes there is - Sig M516 is controlled by 5. Peter P.s. don't leave spaces in the name of the pictures you upload. I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 22:19 #91015 | |
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JamesN
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mark265 in post 91013 said:Peter Bennet in post 91012 said:There is a SimSig style manual that the developers are meant to follow, in order for a consistent look across all sims. Doesn't always happen that way in practice - either because it just isn't possible to obey all the rules simultaneously; or more rarely the developer has made a conscious decision not to follow it for whatever reason.mark265 in post 90991 said:Whats a 'style guide breach' I've never heard that term beforeI can't find anything relating to this.Looks can be deceptive! Actually it's a style guide breach, the TC should be a bit longer. I recall on the old old website it used to be an article that was publically visible - but it was pre-Joomla so could be long gone nowadays. Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 22:50 #91017 | |
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Peter Bennet
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BarryM in post 91011 said:BarryM in post 91009 said:Yes there are all sorts of interlockings on both the up and down loops linking each end with the other.mark265 in post 90990 said:Further testing of your save, I found that there is no problem in setting these routes once 6M34 clears the points at the down end of the REC roads.I have been trying to set routes from Mossend UP REC's (1,2 and 3 [sigs M322, M318 and M316]) to Sig M358, It Tells me 'Route Not Available', there are No other sigs in the way, I am in the 1980's era, TORR ON, ARS OFFI found no problem setting these routes in my Motherwell. I note your problem in your save. Run a new Motherwell with no timetable and see if you can set these routes? If not, I suggest that you reinstall Motherwell and see if it fixes the problem. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 19/12/2016 at 22:52 #91018 | |
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MarkC
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Peter Bennet in post 91014 said:mark265 in post 91006 said:that was a concious desission not to have the pics show in forums.I am routing train from Motherwell to Wishaw Via Shieldmuir JN (1980's era) on wks 4 I can set the route to M516 but on clicking on the triangle near Wishaw does not set the route further. on wks5 there is nothing to set the route from that brach to Wishaw. its strange as an SimSignaller would have to operate signals not on his panel.Yes there is - Sig M516 is controlled by 5. But in Wishaw 1.png (which is WKS5) there is no signal for the user of that panel to click unless he goes over to WKS4 Log in to reply |
| Sig M315 in 1980's and 1990's era 20/12/2016 at 15:20 #91025 | |
Andrew G
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mark265 in post 91018 said:This was an era issue which has been corrected by Peter in a later version which hasn't been released yet. In the meantime the Panel 5 signaller will need to initiate the route on Panel 4 for the earlier eras. I can also confirm that the issue impacting on Loco changes on the Up Coatbridge has also been resolved, as previously advised by Peter, and these can now be signalled with no need to talk a driver past any Signals. While you will need to wait for Peter to release an updated version I can confirm I have hosted several sessions with friends using the 1984 timetable and the release version of the simulation without any major issues. You just need to make sure the users on the panels with issues are aware of the workarounds and assign somebody to panel 6 who understands how the Edinburgh portions attach and detach. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: MarkC |