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Interesting Scenario for a closure 01/03/2017 at 16:48 #93408
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39124787

Something for Lime Street?

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Interesting Scenario for a closure 01/03/2017 at 17:12 #93409
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VT turning round at Runcorn, TPE & LM turning round at Liverpool South Parkway.

NT running half-hourly to South Parkway on the Oxford Road stoppers, and hourly Manchester- Huyton and Wigan- Huyton.

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Interesting Scenario for a closure 01/03/2017 at 23:22 #93412
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Is Lime Street still controlled from the box there? I imagine the Bobbies are having a fine old time! Nowt to do until the rubble is cleared and testing can commence, I'd have thought?
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Interesting Scenario for a closure 02/03/2017 at 02:30 #93413
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RainbowNines in post 93412 said:
Is Lime Street still controlled from the box there? I imagine the Bobbies are having a fine old time! Nowt to do until the rubble is cleared and testing can commence, I'd have thought?
I wondered that initially but given the location I suspect much of the rubble might be removed by rail so there could be some movements in and out of possessions at a guess.

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Interesting Scenario for a closure 02/03/2017 at 02:58 #93414
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RainbowNines in post 93412 said:
Is Lime Street still controlled from the box there? I imagine the Bobbies are having a fine old time! Nowt to do until the rubble is cleared and testing can commence, I'd have thought?
Yes, Lime Street SB is now the last operational Westinghouse 'L' frame on Network Rail, and very smart when I visited there a couple of years ago.

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Interesting Scenario for a closure 02/03/2017 at 05:04 #93417
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And having operated Westinghouse L Frames professionally, I can confirm that they are wonderful machines to operate. I genuinely miss them!
Sorry guys, I am in the business of making people wait!
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Interesting Scenario for a closure 02/03/2017 at 07:18 #93418
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AndyG in post 93414 said:
RainbowNines in post 93412 said:
Is Lime Street still controlled from the box there? I imagine the Bobbies are having a fine old time! Nowt to do until the rubble is cleared and testing can commence, I'd have thought?
Yes, Lime Street SB is now the last operational Westinghouse 'L' frame on Network Rail, and very smart when I visited there a couple of years ago.
So when did the 'L' frame get removed from Maidstone East, I don't recall any blocks to decommission the frame and commission an alternative form of control device.....

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Interesting Scenario for a closure 02/03/2017 at 09:17 #93421
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kaiwhara in post 93417 said:
And having operated Westinghouse L Frames professionally, I can confirm that they are wonderful machines to operate. I genuinely miss them! :(
Apart from the professionally bit, I confirm that; lovely beast.

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Interesting Scenario for a closure 02/03/2017 at 09:45 #93423
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Is the site at the top of the wall that collapsed liable for the delay minutes? Should NR have a better idea of the risks presented by abutting properties?
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Interesting Scenario for a closure 02/03/2017 at 10:07 #93424
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Humorist in post 93423 said:
Is the site at the top of the wall that collapsed liable for the delay minutes? Should NR have a better idea of the risks presented by abutting properties?
As with any "external" incident, NR have to cough up for the delay minutes. But there won't be many, as within 24 hours of the incident the cancellations would go over to being "planned" anyway.

The second point is probably a bit too contentious to answer while very few of the facts of the incident are known.

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Interesting Scenario for a closure 03/03/2017 at 11:50 #93473
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JamesN in post 93424 said:
Humorist in post 93423 said:
Is the site at the top of the wall that collapsed liable for the delay minutes? Should NR have a better idea of the risks presented by abutting properties?
As with any "external" incident, NR have to cough up for the delay minutes. But there won't be many, as within 24 hours of the incident the cancellations would go over to being "planned" anyway.

The second point is probably a bit too contentious to answer while very few of the facts of the incident are known.

But I suspect that, legally, the site at the top of the wall (likely to be occupier rather than owner, I'd think) would then be liable to NR for damages (a High Court action). If they were insured, it wouldn't get to court unless NR couldn't get the insurer to cough up enough. Eitehr way, by the time you pay for the delays and for reinstating the wall, Pway and all the knitting, that's going to be a bit more than anybody's pocket money!

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