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Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 06:37 #95294 | |
Peter Bennet
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VInce in post 95292 said:I think some of that may be due to the sim being coded for higher speed running, to a degree that's covered by the lower speeds of the trains but even so. VInce in post 95292 said: Thanks to you and everyone else involved. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 09:49 #95295 | |
VInce
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uboat in post 95293 said:VinceYes, I agree. I should have done that. This previous version didn't cover the liberation of P3 and the evening conflicts which hopefully have now been fixed in this version. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 10:21 #95296 | |
VInce
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Peter, I'm very grateful to you for the timetable in the first place. I've revamped a couple of timetables at Derby (where I worked on the back desk in the 80s and 90s) to account for various scenarios and also to correct a few conflicts but I've kept those to myself for fear of treading anyone's toes. Thank you for allowing a refresh of your work and, although Lyn asked you I guess I should have done first, even though it was not originally intended for anything other than my own use. I joined the happy band of operational railwaymen (or should that be persons) in 1969 and this era was probably the most enjoyable I had until I retired in 2006. I had enormous fun doing this - thanks to everyone. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 11:55 #95297 | |
Peter Bennet
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When you are satisfied it's finished can you upload it to the DOWNLOAD>submit a file>correct area. Thanks Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply The following user said thank you: VInce |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 12:54 #95298 | |
clive
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VInce in post 95264 said:I can't talk about the 1970s, but when I commuted regularly to Peterborough in the 1990s platform 3 had a virtual buffer stop near the north end: Spalding DMUs used the north end and KX EMUs used the south end, but nothing ran through it for most of the day. Might have been different in the morning peak with ECS coming from Nene, and I think there were a few GNERs through 3 in the evening in both directions, but most of the time nothing. Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 13:01 #95299 | |
clive
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VInce in post 95292 said:That makes more sense. From maps and aerial photos there appears to have been a siding capable of holding a single wagon or perhaps two. So I would have thought failed wagons would have been dealt with in the Flyash line at Peterborough station. I take it the timings aren't such that it's a seed train from the night before? Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 13:08 #95300 | |
clive
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clive in post 95299 said:This page says failures were dealt with at the station. Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 18:49 #95301 | |
VInce
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Just for the record there is still an issue with 0D64 not appearing - this has been fixed for the next release Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 22/05/2017 at 18:50 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 19:27 #95302 | |
VInce
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Peter Bennet in post 95297 said:When you are satisfied it's finished can you upload it to the DOWNLOAD>submit a file>correct area.Yes, I'll do that - need a few people to run it and check though.. V I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 19:30 #95303 | |
VInce
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I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 22/05/2017 at 19:30 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 19:32 #95304 | |
VInce
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clive in post 95300 said:clive in post 95299 said:Thanks - for that link.This page says failures were dealt with at the station. Yes I would agree, but local repairs would have consisted of simple work that could be accomplished locally. The wagons being tripped to works would need more extensive work than would be possible by a local wagon repairer. For instance, new wheels where a wheel drop would be required, brake-gear, brake valves etc... Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 20:08 #95305 | |
VInce
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Quote:I can't talk about the 1970s, but when I commuted regularly to Peterborough in the 1990s platform 3 had a virtual buffer stop near the north end: Spalding DMUs used the north end and KX EMUs used the south end, but nothing ran through it for most of the day. Might have been different in the morning peak with ECS coming from Nene, and I think there were a few GNERs through 3 in the evening in both directions, but most of the time nothing.[/quote][quote] Thank you for this - I can vouch for what you say, I did a lot of overnights in Cambridge in the 80s and noticed the DMU sat at the north end of the platform when I passed through on 1M45 0712 Cambridge - Birmingham I don't know what the situation really was in the 70s and I've applied guesswork into the mix to make it all work. I look at these empty units I've put in as a local control/TCS/Station Manager arrangement and probably not documented anyway. There was a lot of this done where I was in the 70s and 80s to clear platforms, change units over etc, so I guessed it could have happened here. Thanks for your help Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 22/05/2017 at 20:09 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 22:25 #95306 | |
Lyn-Greenwood
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VInce in post 95264 said:Lyn,Vince, I've only just downloaded version 3 of your timetable, so haven't had time to look at it yet. I'll do that tomorrow and get back to you with comments & suggestions. I have a working solution for the Flyash Line "Wrong route called" sim problem which doesn't involve the user doing anything special. I'm also waiting for Pascal to get back to me with more info on 8N40 which apparently ran on several days of the week, albeit to different locations, so probably wasn't a "cripples" train. Will be in touch soon. Lyn Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 22/05/2017 at 22:48 #95309 | |
clive
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VInce in post 95304 said:clive in post 95300 said:I agree, but that's not what I meant. What I was trying to say was that the impression I got from that page is that dodgy wagons detected at Fletton were left in the train there and only cut out when it got to Peterborough station. Whether repaired locally or sent elsewhere is a separate matter that I'm not disputing.Thanks - for that link. Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 23/05/2017 at 15:00 #95329 | |
Lyn-Greenwood
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VInce in post 95264 said:Lyn,Vince, I've had a good look at the Analysis of your latest timetable (version 3), but not yet had chance to give it a good run. Here are my suggestions. 1. Put 5L30 into P5 at 14:30. This will reduce the permissive workings in P4 by 1. 2. The timings for 0B66 should be 60 minutes later. 3. Because the timetable is for a specific day rather than for a generic weekday, I don't think you should flag the Flyash trains (and possibly other freights) to run only 50% of the time. Some Rules for associated locos could then be deleted. 4. To overcome the Peterborough Flyash Line "Wrong Route called" sim problem, edit the timetable of all inbound Flyash trains to create a new TD when they are at the Fletton Flyash Loop exit signal. This is what I did and it works. Did you consider stabling the Spalding DMUs in P1, which is only used from 18:18 to 18:54? Might be worth investigating, but if using Nene CS works, then why create more work? I still haven't heard from Pascal regarding 8N40, so I'll get in touch with him and see if he's found any more information. I look forward to seeing version 4 of the timetable. Lyn Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 24/05/2017 at 10:16 #95345 | |
VInce
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[/quote] Vince, I've had a good look at the Analysis of your latest timetable (version 3), but not yet had chance to give it a good run. Here are my suggestions. 1. Put 5L30 into P5 at 14:30. This will reduce the permissive workings in P4 by 1. 2. The timings for 0B66 should be 60 minutes later. 3. Because the timetable is for a specific day rather than for a generic weekday, I don't think you should flag the Flyash trains (and possibly other freights) to run only 50% of the time. Some Rules for associated locos could then be deleted. 4. To overcome the Peterborough Flyash Line "Wrong Route called" sim problem, edit the timetable of all inbound Flyash trains to create a new TD when they are at the Fletton Flyash Loop exit signal. This is what I did and it works. Did you consider stabling the Spalding DMUs in P1, which is only used from 18:18 to 18:54? Might be worth investigating, but if using Nene CS works, then why create more work? I still haven't heard from Pascal regarding 8N40, so I'll get in touch with him and see if he's found any more information. I look forward to seeing version 4 of the timetable. Lyn[/quote] Lyn. 1) 5L30, thank you, done 2) Thank you for 0B66 - it has been adjusted. 3) You know what they say about great minds - I've shown the flyash trains to run 100% of the time and it takes away the problem of rules for the engines. I was struggling to find a rule that worked anyway. 4) I've done this (see attachment) but it doesn't seem to work. Can you give me a screenshot? Yes, I had thought of P1 but having been a DMU controller for eight years or so in the seventies, I considered that it would be better to be in Nene where units can be swapped over in diagrams for maintenance requirements without upsetting station workings. I'm on my second full run through and I've tweaked a number of things. The Huntingdon turn rounds are very difficult to timetable without clashing with either something that either wants the same platform, a Class 1 on the DFL or a Class 1 on the UFL. I've done what I can with it but accept that it isn't perfect. Rightly or wrongly I've had to tweak the timings of the turnrounds because as they were there were several instances of Class 1 trains timed to run right through the middle of a DMU reversing on the DFL! I mentioned about the early running which is quite extreme - up to 10 minutes in some cases. Peter commented about the sim being created for fast running which is true and not entirely balanced by the slower running of the trains in 1977. Another contributory factor is that most northbound trains are on time or slightly early to Connington but what causes an increase in the the early running it that they often have a 5 minute engineering/pathing allowance between Connington and Peterborough. With no TSRs then that increases the early running by 5 minutes! I'm having a lot of fun with this. I'll put a new one out perhaps tomorrow after we've sorted out the Fletton issue Vince Post has attachments. Log in to view them. I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 24/05/2017 at 10:38 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 24/05/2017 at 11:35 #95347 | |
jrr
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A totally non expert guess on the early running - the up trains may have been deliberately given extra time to ensure they left the Peterborough area more or less on time to minimise pathing problems as they approached the much busier sections further south. I remember press articles about timetables being "padded" to ensure on time arrivals. Even now some of the Great Northern down services can arrive Peterborough several minutes early if a northbound express is a few minutes late so there is still slack in the timetables somewhere.
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Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 25/05/2017 at 07:59 #95358 | |
VInce
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Hi all, Just a note to say that the refreshed version of Peter Bennet's original Peterborough 1977 timetable is almost ready. Lyn and I are just on final testing having, we think, shaken all the glitches out from it. However, I understand there will be an update to the Peterborough sim soon which will correct the Flyash routing issue so I will hold back releasing the timetable until that appears. I wish to put on record my thanks to Lyn for his invaluable help with the testing of the timetable and to Peter for doing the hard work in creating the timetable in the first place. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 25/05/2017 at 08:49 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: KymriskaDraken, JamesN, bossman, bfcmik, Lyn-Greenwood |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 01/06/2017 at 23:18 #95562 | |
VInce
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Hi all, Just a note to say that the revision of Peter Bennet's 1977 Peterborough timetable is complete. Lyn has a copy and will give it the once over. It will be released to the wide world as soon as an updated version of the sim is published which will solve the flyash routing issue and other minor problems. My thanks to Lyn for his invaluable help with this revision. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 01/06/2017 at 23:18 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: BarryM, WesternChampion |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 14/06/2017 at 16:01 #95839 | |
VInce
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HI all, With Lyn's help, I've had the revised version of Peter Bennet's 1977 Peterborough timetable ready for several weeks now and plan to release it as and when a revised Peterborough sim is released which corrects the Flyash routing issues and one or two other minor glitches. Is there any estimate as to when it may be ready for release? Secondly - in my Peterborough timetables folder I have a timetable called "Summer 2003 fixed.wtt" with an associated .WTR file. Its a very well constructed timetable but it needed a fair bit of work in making rules and correcting the (very few) conflicts. Its NOT the timetable that is supplied with the loader sim for Peterborough I've obviously downloaded it at some point from the site but I can't seem to locate it now. The timetable information pane does not give any information as to who the author was and I'd like to contact them to thank them for their work and ask their permission to upload it when I've finished revising it. Has anyone any idea on who wrote it? Regards Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 14/06/2017 at 23:37 #95845 | |
BarryM
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VInce in post 95839 said:HI all,Peter Bennett supplied the timetable around 2009. Have you had a look at these posts? Home > Files > User-contributed > Timetables > Peterborough > Files Index Home > Forum > Simulations > Timetables > Peterborough > Peterborough 1977 Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Last edited: 14/06/2017 at 23:55 by BarryM Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 14/06/2017 at 23:47 #95846 | |
headshot119
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VInce in post 95839 said:HI all,If this https://www.SimSig.co.uk/File/Details/72 is it, looks like it was originally uploaded by Chrisrail, and some work was done by Guts. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 15/06/2017 at 00:04 by headshot119 Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: VInce |
Peterborough 1977 timetable being refreshed for new Loader sim 15/06/2017 at 08:36 #95847 | |
VInce
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Thank you - that's the one. I'll try and find his details.. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |