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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 21/11/2017 at 18:27 #103142
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Trainfan344 in post 103141 said:

I keep forgetting to release the empty stock from Maypole Goods Loop.
thats one hell of an ECS Maypole - Man Picc lolol

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 21/11/2017 at 20:24 #103149
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Very Nice Simulations. However, can someone help me - where is Longsight Car MD ? Right at the start I have 5M74 timetabled to go to Longsight Car MD but I cant see it on the layout and I cant see in mentioned in the manual.
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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 21/11/2017 at 20:27 #103151
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Ray in post 103149 said:
Very Nice Simulations. However, can someone help me - where is Longsight Car MD ? Right at the start I have 5M74 timetabled to go to Longsight Car MD but I cant see it on the layout and I cant see in mentioned in the manual.
It's the large siding complex below the main lines on the Longsight panel. Phone up the shunter (Longsight North if the train's coming from Picc), and they'll give you the slot for the line they want it on.

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 21/11/2017 at 20:51 #103152
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Steamer in post 103131 said:
Those Liverpool- Scarborough services are difficult. The good news is that they pass each other (at around 5-10 minutes past the hour), so you just need the one gap.

Regulating-wise, all lines in the throat bar the Up East are bi-di; in real life this facility is used quite a lot.
Unless running exceptionally late, generally the Northern 2Hxx services will be held to avoid further delays to eastbound services on the stretch between Ashburys and Guide Bridge which has several station stops and no possibility of looping. It's also pretty common to see everything approaching on the down lines held as they can pull time back during the turnaround in Piccadilly.

The bi-di lines are indeed used to the maximum potential; ditto the via buttons - a clever 'trick' is when a train from 13 needs to go into Mayfield Loop at the same time as a departure from 9-12 onto the slows; the slow line departure can be routed via button 'J' with the only penalty being that it remains on a 15mph speed restriction for slightly longer.

It's worth noting that the drivers dockets (at Northern and I'd assume others too) don't refer to any line or platform so it is entirely up to the signaller how a service is routed. Although the sim will penalise for an incorrect platform, in the real world alterations are frequent due to delays or set swaps; so don't panic about losing a few points!

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 21/11/2017 at 22:16 #103158
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Meld in post 103142 said:
Trainfan344 in post 103141 said:

I keep forgetting to release the empty stock from Maypole Goods Loop.
thats one hell of an ECS Maypole - Man Picc lolol
Maypole/MayField same difference.

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 21/11/2017 at 22:38 #103161
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Splodge said:
The bi-di lines are indeed used to the maximum potential; ditto the via buttons - a clever 'trick' is when a train from 13 needs to go into Mayfield Loop at the same time as a departure from 9-12 onto the slows; the slow line departure can be routed via button 'J' with the only penalty being that it remains on a 15mph speed restriction for slightly longer.
I'm always surprised at how often 'DS' pops up on the platform starters. It's usually followed by something arriving on the US. Not to mention a few weeks ago when everything ran on the wrong line between Oxford Road east and Ardwick Jn for most of the day; station staff said it was a signalling fault.

Other regulating hints, for anyone interested:

The bi-di capability at Salford Crescent is also used when need be; most often with trains from Victoria. It's a bit of a shock dropping down from Victoria and seeing another train rolling in on the Down Bolton! Be careful not to send an Atherton-bound train into P1 though.

In the opposite direction, it's fairly common for the xx:44 Blackburn to be dropped into P2 while the Huddersfield is in P1, as the Huddersfield's are almost always late for most of the morning and early afternoon*. The move allows the following Airport to arrive at Salford while the Blackburn leaves. I never understood why flashing yellows weren't provided from the Up Bolton to P1- although on the plus side, it was recently upgraded to approach release from yellow.

It was very rare for the bi-di to be used at Bolton (except P1; it was very rare for a train to or from Darwen to use P3). In the Up direction, the crossover is half a mile away from the station and has a 15mph limit. Incidentally, I think MP628 may have been approach released- I can't recall seeing 636 show better than Y.

*The biggest inaccuracy in the simulation is the fact that Preston PSB manages to send trains on time on the Up Bolton...

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 21/11/2017 at 22:51 #103163
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Splodge in post 103152 said:
Steamer in post 103131 said:
Those Liverpool- Scarborough services are difficult. The good news is that they pass each other (at around 5-10 minutes past the hour), so you just need the one gap.

Regulating-wise, all lines in the throat bar the Up East are bi-di; in real life this facility is used quite a lot.
It's worth noting that the drivers dockets (at Northern and I'd assume others too) don't refer to any line or platform so it is entirely up to the signaller how a service is routed. Although the sim will penalise for an incorrect platform, in the real world alterations are frequent due to delays or set swaps; so don't panic about losing a few points!
When I was driving the schedule cards for my depot didn't show anything to do with platforms or lines, it was down to the driver to know if he was heading for a line or platform that prevented him getting to his destination. If you wanted to have passing times you had to ask the running foreman to print out a schedule with that info on it, the default being just the calling locations.

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 21/11/2017 at 23:06 #103165
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Yep, route knowledge is king!

That said, our dockets do tend to state a via on them where needed - so for example the docket with 5J15 in the sim (now 5J05) states it runs via Styal (It's a round the houses ECS to Newton Heath, which reverses at Wilmslow and incidentally on a Friday forms the Denton Flyer from Stockport) to ensure it goes booked route. Typically the signaller will ring you on the GSMR if the route is to change; there was a period a couple of months ago when everything booked via the Airport avoider had to run via Stockport as the points only worked for routes to the airport.

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 21/11/2017 at 23:10 #103166
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slatteryc in post 103127 said:
Up to 0945 on Man PICC now , that is one hard sim to keep up with , not as bad as VIC SE with ARS off though , about the same as Vic cent with ars off

Congrats to the developers BTW, that is stellar work


not enough auto switches on Longsight, is that the same as the real panel , presume so ?

Need some ideas on regulating strategies please and TPH for certain timetables, those crossers from Picc 14 to Ashburys and VV take up some serious blockages

Also the code interpolation is driving me mad, the amount of signals I've had to put back when what I thought 1PXX to Ashburys is instead off to the airport GRR
I made it to 0815 and have been overwhelmed, not helped by a TCF at the airport. It's back to an 0530 save for me to take another run at the morning peak, and try and keep above 50%.

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 22/11/2017 at 00:50 #103169
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Steamer in post 103161 said:


Other regulating hints, for anyone interested:

The bi-di capability at Salford Crescent is also used when need be; most often with trains from Victoria. It's a bit of a shock dropping down from Victoria and seeing another train rolling in on the Down Bolton! Be careful not to send an Atherton-bound train into P1 though.
In the first timetable(s) after the Windsor Link was opened, parallel working northbound & southbound on Salford Crescent's platforms was quite common, though obviously with restrictions on simultaneous arrivals/ departures depending on what routes were required. Oh, for some flying junctions....

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 25/11/2017 at 21:59 #103352
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Steamer in post 103105 said:
bri2808 in post 103102 said:
Is there a map of where each signal number is on a PDF or is this yet to be launched please
It's being worked on, but I'll need a few more days- very busy with 'life' at the moment!
Number Plans for the Manchester trio now available on this page and in simulation manuals.

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 25/11/2017 at 22:18 #103356
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Thank you, and also for the help today... Have tried the first hour and really enjoying it - This will help a lot. (Well me anyway)
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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 25/11/2017 at 22:37 #103358
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First of all, great job. As a local and someone who has had the opportunity to visit the various boxes around Manchester, its great to finally see something here.

A question. Are there any plans to update the Piccadilly panel with the Chord and new timetables to go with it?

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 26/11/2017 at 00:03 #103365
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dwpdwp in post 103358 said:
First of all, great job. As a local and someone who has had the opportunity to visit the various boxes around Manchester, its great to finally see something here.

A question. Are there any plans to update the Piccadilly panel with the Chord and new timetables to go with it?
The chord is yet to open, there’s also been some substantial changes to the Signalling around the Oxford Road area, least of all moving it out of Piccadilly box and into the ROC.

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 16/03/2018 at 18:19 #106816
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Hunts Cross is a good sim to play as you also get the Merseyrail trains on there. What I was wondering is when you terminate a train at Liverpool South Parkway P5, and interpose its new head code at signal HC541 when the train heads back towards Liverpool Central it doesn't take the head code with it, it stays at P5
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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 16/03/2018 at 23:55 #106819
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Jezzabusdriver in post 106816 said:
Hunts Cross is a good sim to play as you also get the Merseyrail trains on there. What I was wondering is when you terminate a train at Liverpool South Parkway P5, and interpose its new head code at signal HC541 when the train heads back towards Liverpool Central it doesn't take the head code with it, it stays at P5
Shows how often this route has been used (Whistles) I have fixed for the next upate

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 17/03/2018 at 23:39 #106860
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pedroathome in post 106819 said:
Jezzabusdriver in post 106816 said:
Hunts Cross is a good sim to play as you also get the Merseyrail trains on there. What I was wondering is when you terminate a train at Liverpool South Parkway P5, and interpose its new head code at signal HC541 when the train heads back towards Liverpool Central it doesn't take the head code with it, it stays at P5
Shows how often this route has been used (Whistles) I have fixed for the next upate
Thank you for fixing it, its just that I noticed it as had some Merseyrail trains running really late so had to terminate them at Liverpool South Parkway, also there is one train during the leaf fall that terminates/starts from LSP as will all ME trains on 9th April while Lime Street is shut so they will frequently use the crossover at LSP

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 18/03/2018 at 00:37 #106862
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Jezzabusdriver in post 106860 said:
pedroathome in post 106819 said:
Jezzabusdriver in post 106816 said:
Hunts Cross is a good sim to play as you also get the Merseyrail trains on there. What I was wondering is when you terminate a train at Liverpool South Parkway P5, and interpose its new head code at signal HC541 when the train heads back towards Liverpool Central it doesn't take the head code with it, it stays at P5
Shows how often this route has been used (Whistles) I have fixed for the next upate
Thank you for fixing it, its just that I noticed it as had some Merseyrail trains running really late so had to terminate them at Liverpool South Parkway, also there is one train during the leaf fall that terminates/starts from LSP as will all ME trains on 9th April while Lime Street is shut so they will frequently use the crossover at LSP
An update should be out soon. I'm working on some other bits tidying up behind the scenes on Hunts Cross

James

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Manchester North/Piccadilly & Hunts Cross now released! 18/03/2018 at 16:49 #106871
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pedroathome in post 106862 said:
Jezzabusdriver in post 106860 said:
pedroathome in post 106819 said:
Jezzabusdriver in post 106816 said:
Hunts Cross is a good sim to play as you also get the Merseyrail trains on there. What I was wondering is when you terminate a train at Liverpool South Parkway P5, and interpose its new head code at signal HC541 when the train heads back towards Liverpool Central it doesn't take the head code with it, it stays at P5
Shows how often this route has been used (Whistles) I have fixed for the next upate
Thank you for fixing it, its just that I noticed it as had some Merseyrail trains running really late so had to terminate them at Liverpool South Parkway, also there is one train during the leaf fall that terminates/starts from LSP as will all ME trains on 9th April while Lime Street is shut so they will frequently use the crossover at LSP
An update should be out soon. I'm working on some other bits tidying up behind the scenes on Hunts Cross

James
I shall patiently wait for the fix before I do my fictional timetable , with some extra Merseyrail trains running along to Warrington Central

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