Using Tyneside IECC with a Timetable issue

Set the departure time at the reversing point to 00:00, this will allow the loco to depart as soon as it's ready.

Does ticking "set down only" at the reversal point achieve what is required?

Chris

Steamer in post 118037 said:

Set the departure time at the reversing point to 00:00, this will allow the loco to depart as soon as it's ready.

That does have the disadvantage if the reverse is taking place at a location monitored by the F8 simplifier that things get out of sequence and you don't get a clear picture of the occupation. It would be really nice if there was an option at the location in the TT to check a box instructing the loco/train to move as soon as possible (i.e. as soon as any actions/dwell times/reverses etc. had taken place).

Steamer in post 118037 said:

Set the departure time at the reversing point to 00:00, this will allow the loco to depart as soon as it's ready.

That does have the disadvantage if the reverse is taking place at a location monitored by the F8 simplifier that things get out of sequence and you don't get a clear picture of the occupation. It would be really nice if there was an option at the location in the TT to check a box instructing the loco/train to move as soon as possible (i.e. as soon as any actions/dwell times/reverses etc. had taken place).

postal in post 118039 said:

Steamer in post 118037 said:

Set the departure time at the reversing point to 00:00, this will allow the loco to depart as soon as it's ready.

That does have the disadvantage if the reverse is taking place at a location monitored by the F8 simplifier that things get out of sequence and you don't get a clear picture of the occupation. It would be really nice if there was an option at the location in the TT to check a box instructing the loco/train to move as soon as possible (i.e. as soon as any actions/dwell times/reverses etc. had taken place).

I agree with what Postal says. It's very annoying when a loco or freight train "insists" on waiting for the booked departure time when there is a path available for it to depart early. Using Set Down Only works most times, but not when you want it to! Arriving early at the location makes matters even worse, especially if the train is scheduled to wait on a main line. I also don't like the use of a passing time as the departure time (which some timetable writers seem to have started doing) as this causes ARS (if enabled) to immediately set a route for the train.

Please add Postal's proposal to the Wish List.

Lyn-Greenwood in post 118124 said:

postal in post 118039 said:

Steamer in post 118037 said:

Set the departure time at the reversing point to 00:00, this will allow the loco to depart as soon as it's ready.

That does have the disadvantage if the reverse is taking place at a location monitored by the F8 simplifier that things get out of sequence and you don't get a clear picture of the occupation. It would be really nice if there was an option at the location in the TT to check a box instructing the loco/train to move as soon as possible (i.e. as soon as any actions/dwell times/reverses etc. had taken place).

I agree with what Postal says. It's very annoying when a loco or freight train "insists" on waiting for the booked departure time when there is a path available for it to depart early. Using Set Down Only works most times, but not when you want it to! Arriving early at the location makes matters even worse, especially if the train is scheduled to wait on a main line. I also don't like the use of a passing time as the departure time (which some timetable writers seem to have started doing) as this causes ARS (if enabled) to immediately set a route for the train.

Please add Postal's proposal to the Wish List.

Lyn,

I think we'll be very lucky to see any change here. I've raised this point countless times since I joined the group and we're still in the same place.

As both you and I are aware the modern way is for trains to run exactly to WTT due to performance regimes but in historical times tables this is ridiculous. In timetables built around the 70s 80s and 90s only about 40% of trains that ran were in the WTT.

The rest were untimed, on trip notices, control specials, station shunts, LD movements and all the rest so that's the way I do it. Anything that isn't in the WTT is untimed save for an entry time where this is necessary.

Its time to make the "d", the "set down only" into "will leave when ready" 100% of the time not when the core code thinks it should.

I just don't understand why there is a view on here that the "set down only" thing should have any restriction on it at all. Its very unlikely to be used in a modern timetable anyway, and in an historical one a light engine shunt isn't going to leave a point early, get to a timed reversal point over a busy junction and sit there with the signal off waiting for right time.

Just not realistic.

Vince

VInce in post 118125 said:

Lyn-Greenwood in post 118124 said:

postal in post 118039 said:

Steamer in post 118037 said:

Set the departure time at the reversing point to 00:00, this will allow the loco to depart as soon as it's ready.

That does have the disadvantage if the reverse is taking place at a location monitored by the F8 simplifier that things get out of sequence and you don't get a clear picture of the occupation. It would be really nice if there was an option at the location in the TT to check a box instructing the loco/train to move as soon as possible (i.e. as soon as any actions/dwell times/reverses etc. had taken place).

I agree with what Postal says. It's very annoying when a loco or freight train "insists" on waiting for the booked departure time when there is a path available for it to depart early. Using Set Down Only works most times, but not when you want it to! Arriving early at the location makes matters even worse, especially if the train is scheduled to wait on a main line. I also don't like the use of a passing time as the departure time (which some timetable writers seem to have started doing) as this causes ARS (if enabled) to immediately set a route for the train.

Please add Postal's proposal to the Wish List.

Lyn,

I think we'll be very lucky to see any change here. I've raised this point countless times since I joined the group and we're still in the same place.

As both you and I are aware the modern way is for trains to run exactly to WTT due to performance regimes but in historical times tables this is ridiculous. In timetables built around the 70s 80s and 90s only about 40% of trains that ran were in the WTT.

The rest were untimed, on trip notices, control specials, station shunts, LD movements and all the rest so that's the way I do it. Anything that isn't in the WTT is untimed save for an entry time where this is necessary.

Its time to make the "d", the "set down only" into "will leave when ready" 100% of the time not when the core code thinks it should.

I just don't understand why there is a view on here that the "set down only" thing should have any restriction on it at all. Its very unlikely to be used in a modern timetable anyway, and in an historical one a light engine shunt isn't going to leave a point early, get to a timed reversal point over a busy junction and sit there with the signal off waiting for right time.

Just not realistic.

Vince

Vince.

I've always thought set down only works correctly to give a bit of unpredictability to services. Eg sometimes it'll drop passengers in seconds and be off, another time there's more parcels than usual to unload so it doesn't depart until booked time.

I think the real issue is the lack of "always depart early" whilst there is a "wait until booked time" option.

I just don't understand why there is a view on here that the "set down only" thing should have any restriction on it at all. Its very unlikely to be used in a modern timetable anyway

Throwing the idea out there.

How about, any of class 3-9 + 0, with a set down only time, are ready to move as soon as all custom dwell times + rules are met. UNLESS the must wait to time flag is checked.

Class 1-2 continue to work as now?

headshot119 in post 118139 said:

Throwing the idea out there.

How about, any of class 3-9 + 0, with a set down only time, are ready to move as soon as all custom dwell times + rules are met. UNLESS the must wait to time flag is checked.

Class 1-2 continue to work as now?

The only issue that doesn't resolve is class 1 postal/parcels/newspaper trains and any class 1 or 2 booked to sit in a loop or at a junction which gets the road early.

jc92 in post 118143 said:

headshot119 in post 118139 said:

Throwing the idea out there.

How about, any of class 3-9 + 0, with a set down only time, are ready to move as soon as all custom dwell times + rules are met. UNLESS the must wait to time flag is checked.

Class 1-2 continue to work as now?

The only issue that doesn't resolve is class 1 postal/parcels/newspaper trains and any class 1 or 2 booked to sit in a loop or at a junction which gets the road early.

Or freights that are stopped for scheduled examination (e.g. hazardous cargo) so will require a dwell time but maybe not the full TT'd allowance. The postal/parcels/newspaper trains can have a dwell time set in the TT or by a "must not depart" rule whereby they will normally depart whenever their platform duties are completed but which will be randomly held on a few occasions just as may happen in real life when the driver needs a PNB or there is a minor technical problem (or in the heritage TT eras when I used to travel on the Royal Mail TPOs from time to time and there were certain stations where you never left early as the station bar was still open).