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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 28/05/2019 at 19:08 #118514
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3701 posts 		Hi,

The CScot manual doesn't state what the revised platform Lengths are for the EGIP era.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 28/05/2019 at 21:12 #118518
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1048 posts 		I've got the info on the platform lengths, but I think when I mentioned it the issue was going to be getting access to the data regarding the new TC breaks. Also a wee bit of the point work has changed within the station.

Further more in the EGIP era there are significant changes to track layouts at Greenhill Upper and Larbert and quite a few signal changes throughout the sim, in particular at Dunblane.

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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 28/05/2019 at 21:20 #118519
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1315 posts 		As far as I know they have not changed yet in the sim as the platform lengthening is more recent.

Edit: Hap was earlier to post and more detailed.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 28/05/2019 at 21:44 #118520
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1048 posts 		Nothing has changed in sim since we had the blocked at QST.

The changes came into effect from August 2016.

Few pics below of the new layout at several locations.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 28/07/2019 at 19:41 #119704
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 28/07/2019 at 19:45 #119705
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 15/08/2019 at 00:00 #120049
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1431 posts 		P3 is now full 8 car, P2 is the same buffer line but only 6 or 7 car (Hap ?)

E-G services generally now 8 car, so must use P3 or P7
The end wall onto George Square has just opened up, but still temporary entrances from the west side, or sneak out the taxi road.

Low level access still via P2 or P7, not from outside.

The other platform extensions will not be done until September to keep capacity during August (locals back at work / tourists / Edinburgh festival)


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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 15/08/2019 at 00:26 #120051
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1048 posts 		bill_gensheet in post 120049 said:
P3 is now full 8 car, P2 is the same buffer line but only 6 or 7 car (Hap


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Platform 2 - 171m can now accommodate a 7 car 380/385, along with 3,4 & 7.

Platform 3 - 196m can now accommodate an 8 car train formation in addition to platform 7.

So as it stands:

Platform 1: 4
Platform 2: 7
Platform 3: 8
Platform 4: 7
Platform 5: 6
Platform 6: 6
Platform 7: 8

I've not been in the station since the work has been done, so I haven't seen the layout now. I can only imagine 2 will be extended once there is enough space for it. i.e a route walking route to platform 1, and the barriers are taken back further once the front of the station is a bit more complete?

I'll do some more digging.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 15/08/2019 at 09:41 #120052
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5419 posts 		Albert in post 118519 said:
As far as I know they have not changed yet in the sim as the platform lengthening is more recent.

Hap in post 118520 said:
Nothing has changed in sim since we had the blocked at QST.
The Sim was updated with the revised platform lengths as they were anticipated at the time of EGIP era writing.

Hap in post 120051 said:


Platform 2 - 171m can now accommodate a 7 car 380/385, along with 3,4 & 7.

Platform 3 - 196m can now accommodate an 8 car train formation in addition to platform 7.

So as it stands:

Platform 1: 4
Platform 2: 7
Platform 3: 8
Platform 4: 7
Platform 5: 6
Platform 6: 6
Platform 7: 8
The Sim Platform lengths P2 to P4 in the EGIP era were set as: 171, 196, 196, 171.

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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 15/08/2019 at 17:04 #120062
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1048 posts 		Hap in post 120051 said:
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I've not been in the station since the work has been done, so I haven't seen the layout now. I can only imagine 2 will be extended once there is enough space for it.
Just realised Bill, that you said same buffer line. (I've not been at work for about a month and not in QSt in about 2/3. Not been following my operation updates.

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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 03/09/2019 at 17:58 #120303
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 19/01/2020 at 07:02 #122927
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The Sim Platform lengths P2 to P4 in the EGIP era were set as: 171, 196, 196, 171.
You mention these as the new lengths, but you mention three platforms, P2, P3, P4 but then state four lengths.

What are the Platform Lengths for all seven platforms in the EGIP era on the sim?

I wish to know as I have created a new 2019 timetable and whilst working out the stock working, I noticed the WTT has four car Class 385 which are 92m (some eight cars at 184m), and HST sets of five coaches that are 151m platform sharing with Class 158 two car units.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 19/01/2020 at 09:53 #122928
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3701 posts 		Giantray in post 122927 said:
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The Sim Platform lengths P2 to P4 in the EGIP era were set as: 171, 196, 196, 171.
You mention these as the new lengths, but you mention three platforms, P2, P3, P4 but then state four lengths.

What are the Platform Lengths for all seven platforms in the EGIP era on the sim?

I wish to know as I have created a new 2019 timetable and whilst working out the stock working, I noticed the WTT has four car Class 385 which are 92m (some eight cars at 184m), and HST sets of five coaches that are 151m platform sharing with Class 158 two car units.
the sim doesn't work for 2019. I tried and 8 car 385's don't fit in the platforms.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 19/01/2020 at 17:33 #122934
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1048 posts 		Giantray in post 122927 said:
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The Sim Platform lengths P2 to P4 in the EGIP era were set as: 171, 196, 196, 171.
You mention these as the new lengths, but you mention three platforms, P2, P3, P4 but then state four lengths.

What are the Platform Lengths for all seven platforms in the EGIP era on the sim?

I wish to know as I have created a new 2019 timetable and whilst working out the stock working, I noticed the WTT has four car Class 385 which are 92m (some eight cars at 184m), and HST sets of five coaches that are 151m platform sharing with Class 158 two car units.
There are no 5 car HST on the system at the moment. only 2x pc and 4 coaches. There's also no chance you'll see anything on top of a HST at qst as the required stopping point from the buffers is considerably further back than other units.

IF you do see something on Traksy, for example, that looks like an Aberdeen service in a platform, with another service ahead of it, then the likely hood that the Aberdeen/Inverness service is a DMU.

As it stands as of today...

1 takes 4 (2 x 2 car formation... extended by 21m)
2 takes 7 (171m)
3 takes 7 (196m)
4 takes 8 (196m)
5 takes 7 (171m)
6 takes 6
7 takes 8
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 21/01/2020 at 18:58 #122974
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5419 posts 		Hap in post 122934 said:
Giantray in post 122927 said:
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The Sim Platform lengths P2 to P4 in the EGIP era were set as: 171, 196, 196, 171.
You mention these as the new lengths, but you mention three platforms, P2, P3, P4 but then state four lengths.

What are the Platform Lengths for all seven platforms in the EGIP era on the sim?

I wish to know as I have created a new 2019 timetable and whilst working out the stock working, I noticed the WTT has four car Class 385 which are 92m (some eight cars at 184m), and HST sets of five coaches that are 151m platform sharing with Class 158 two car units.
There are no 5 car HST on the system at the moment. only 2x pc and 4 coaches. There's also no chance you'll see anything on top of a HST at qst as the required stopping point from the buffers is considerably further back than other units.

IF you do see something on Traksy, for example, that looks like an Aberdeen service in a platform, with another service ahead of it, then the likely hood that the Aberdeen/Inverness service is a DMU.

As it stands as of today...

1 takes 4 (2 x 2 car formation... extended by 21m)
2 takes 7 (171m)
3 takes 7 (196m)
4 takes 8 (196m)
5 takes 7 (171m)
6 takes 6
7 takes 8
That's what I have (should have said P2 to P5).
P1 might be wrong in the current release but is fixed for the next.
P6 and 7 should be 147 and 196 respectively.

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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 23/01/2020 at 06:28 #122986
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347 posts 		Hap in post 122934 said:


There are no 5 car HST on the system at the moment. only 2x pc and 4 coaches. There's also no chance you'll see anything on top of a HST at qst as the required stopping point from the buffers is considerably further back than other units.

IF you do see something on Traksy, for example, that looks like an Aberdeen service in a platform, with another service ahead of it, then the likely hood that the Aberdeen/Inverness service is a DMU.

Thank you for the local info. I noticed that some Aberdeen/Perth/Dundee services have a Class 170 on them.

The WTT that also mentions the platform numbers at Queen Street, actually has Class 158 working front train on top of HST, even a Class 385.

What I intend to do for now to get the timetable working, is reduce the Class 385 units to 3 car versions.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 23/01/2020 at 07:26 #122987
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5419 posts 		Giantray in post 122986 said:

What I intend to do for now to get the timetable working, is reduce the Class 385 units to 3 car versions.
Just to be absolutely clear on this, with the exception of Platform 1 all the platforms in the current release have the EGIP platform lengths as stated above, so if you are waiting for the next release that's unlikely to change anything (other than P1).

I have builds ready for re-release for most of the McSims but was awaiting the Edinburgh loader to be finalised to do a mass release.

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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 23/01/2020 at 16:51 #122998
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234 posts 		Peter Bennet in post 122987 said:
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What I intend to do for now to get the timetable working, is reduce the Class 385 units to 3 car versions.
Just to be absolutely clear on this, with the exception of Platform 1 all the platforms in the current release have the EGIP platform lengths as stated above, so if you are waiting for the next release that's unlikely to change anything (other than P1).

I have builds ready for re-release for most of the McSims but was awaiting the Edinburgh loader to be finalised to do a mass release.

Peter[/quote

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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 24/01/2020 at 04:49 #123005
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347 posts 		One thing I have discovered whilst running my new 2019 timetable, the EGIP on the sim does not allow electric traction in many areas that the EGIP is electrified. I have had to make all Class 385 units diesel.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 24/01/2020 at 07:04 #123011
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5419 posts 		Giantray in post 123005 said:
One thing I have discovered whilst running my new 2019 timetable, the EGIP on the sim does not allow electric traction in many areas that the EGIP is electrified. I have had to make all Class 385 units diesel.
That's another of the fixes.

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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 28/01/2020 at 08:19 #123088
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234 posts 		Are you including the new station at Robroyston?
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 31/01/2020 at 13:24 #123118
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5419 posts 		tynie123 in post 123088 said:
Are you including the new station at Robroyston?
Not until I work out where it is as I don't have the scheme plans.

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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 31/01/2020 at 14:09 #123120
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2799 posts 		Peter Bennet in post 123118 said:
tynie123 in post 123088 said:
Are you including the new station at Robroyston?
Not until I work out where it is as I don't have the scheme plans.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 31/01/2020 at 14:26 #123121
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1048 posts 		In terms of signals, nothing has changed.

The platforms are located between 101m 75yds and 101m 238yds.

both platforms are 150m in length, They can both hold 6 car 380/385 formations.

Platform 1 - 3/4 car marker boards are located 49.9m from the platform end. 6 car is 4.5m from the end.
Platform 2 - 'S' car marker board is located 4.5m from the platform end for all formations.
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Queen St platform Lengths - EGIP 13/02/2022 at 16:02 #145194
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1189 posts 		Hi,

Could the manual be updated with the lengths for EGIP please? Or are they unchanged?

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