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| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 01/06/2019 at 04:46 #118586 | |
headshot119
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Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 This thread is for discussion of the Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 timetable. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 01/06/2019 at 20:46 #118631 | |
9pN1SEAp
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I finally worked out this is for the default 2007-2009 era, as it's unclear from the name and there's no description in F4.
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| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 01/06/2019 at 20:55 #118632 | |
Phil-jmw
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9pN1SEAp in post 118631 said:I finally worked out this is for the default 2007-2009 era, as it's unclear from the name and there's no description in F4.You evidently didn't do as advised in the release thread:- https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49884 which was to read the manual before starting. "2007-2009 This represents the maximum extent of the East Rail Line with the opening of the Lok Mau Chau branch at the northern end, meaning trains operate to two northern termini. This is the default era and is the one used with the supplied timetable." Last edited: 01/06/2019 at 20:58 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 01/06/2019 at 20:56 #118633 | |
DaveHarries
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9pN1SEAp in post 118631 said:I finally worked out this is for the default 2007-2009 era Have adjusted the notes in my copy to include that info. Thanks. Dave Log in to reply The following users said thank you: 9pN1SEAp, wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 01/06/2019 at 21:36 #118637 | |
jc92
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Phil-jmw in post 118632 said:9pN1SEAp in post 118631 said:It's a valid point as the timetable name doesn't confirm a year and the timetable notes don't confirm which era it should be played in which is a suggested inclusion with all timetables.I finally worked out this is for the default 2007-2009 era, as it's unclear from the name and there's no description in F4.You evidently didn't do as advised in the release thread:- "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 01/06/2019 at 23:26 #118646 | |
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clive
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jc92 in post 118637 said:9pN1SEAp in post 118631 said:Indeed; I'll fix it at some point.I finally worked out this is for the default 2007-2009 era, as it's unclear from the name and there's no description in F4.It's a valid point as the timetable name doesn't confirm a year and the timetable notes don't confirm which era it should be played in which is a suggested inclusion with all timetables. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: jc92, wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 04:59 #118649 | |
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mm2mm2
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Is it an ARS issue or timetable issue that the ARS gives priority to empty trains (trains with "Txxx" code) over passenger trains?
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| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 05:59 #118650 | |
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garylaw
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I guess it is based on the timetable. Even the ARS will put International Trains (PXXX) before other local trains - sometimes when it is delayed the whole line was stuck in the game.
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| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 06:36 #118653 | |
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mm2mm2
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In reality, I think mainland through trains (Pxxx) does have priority over local services. There are even scheduled overtaking moves in Shatin. However, the control centre may postpone the overtaking move to Fo Tan or Tai Po if an up through train has a slight delay.
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| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 06:49 #118654 | |
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kubi09
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I am not able to join trains, even they are just next to each other. (Checked the the fence has been released)  Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 07:55 #118657 | |
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alvinhochun
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mm2mm2 in post 118649 said:Is it an ARS issue or timetable issue that the ARS gives priority to empty trains (trains with "Txxx" code) over passenger trains? I opened a post with the same question: https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49888?postId=118623 Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 08:44 #118658 | |
postal
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kubi09 in post 118654 said:I am not able to join trains, even they are just next to each other.The F2 clip shows that the trains don't think they are the same location. You need to right click on each train in F2, find the "Edit Timetable" option, highlight the location where the join should take place and click on the "Set current/next location" button. They may start joining then automatically or you may need to give one a nudge ("shunt forward" from the right click menu) to start the join. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 08:50 #118659 | |
BarryM
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mm2mm2 in post 118649 said:Is it an ARS issue or timetable issue that the ARS gives priority to empty trains (trains with "Txxx" code) over passenger trains?WARNING! All T8xx empty car movements going to their depot need to be run Non ARS mode from their start! Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 08:55 #118660 | |
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PeteEHAM
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Does that also apply to Txxx code trains FROM their depot? Other "issue": at approx. 05:30 T808 has priority over T806 (at Sha Tin) which just left the depot Ho Tung Lau. According to the TT T806 should have priority over T808. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 09:34 #118661 | |
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alvinhochun
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BarryM in post 118659 said:mm2mm2 in post 118649 said:This is one way to work around the issue (assuming it's a bug).Is it an ARS issue or timetable issue that the ARS gives priority to empty trains (trains with "Txxx" code) over passenger trains?WARNING! All T8xx empty car movements going to their depot need to be run Non ARS mode from their start! PeteEHAM in post 118660 said: Does that also apply to Txxx code trains FROM their depot?This one is actually mentioned in the manual: Quote: ARS is not good at handling trains that conflict with other trains that haven't yet entered. For example, in this timetable it will set a route for T808 (seeded at Sha Tin) towards Tai Wai even though T806 (due to enter from the depot) needs to go ahead of it. This is a "feature" of real ARS; the only solution is to be aware of these cases and hold the train back in some way (make it non-ARS or collar an appropriate signal). Log in to reply The following users said thank you: wesley2628, PeteEHAM |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 11:06 #118663 | |
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BarryM
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PeteEHAM in post 118660 said:Does that also apply to Txxx code trains FROM their depot?No. They can run in ARS mode. Unfortunately T808 is a seeded train and consequently ARS sets its route on start_up not knowing about T806. Its best to keep these two trains in order otherwise there could be problems at the Terminus. Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Last edited: 02/06/2019 at 11:24 by BarryM Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: PeteEHAM, wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 11:32 #118666 | |
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9pN1SEAp
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Could T808 be seeded as a dummy with a next working, that should sort the ARS out?
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| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 17:29 #118679 | |
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clive
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mm2mm2 in post 118649 said:Is it an ARS issue or timetable issue that the ARS gives priority to empty trains (trains with "Txxx" code) over passenger trains?I don't believe ARS does that and there's no specific logic in the sim to do that. It's possible there are some errors in the data. I could do with a couple of saved games from just *before* it sets the route that I can investigate. You can email them directly to me; no need to take up space here. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 17:31 #118680 | |
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clive
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BarryM in post 118659 said:mm2mm2 in post 118649 said:What makes you say that? It may be worth keeping an eye on them until I figure out what the issue is, if any, but that seems an overly broad statement.Is it an ARS issue or timetable issue that the ARS gives priority to empty trains (trains with "Txxx" code) over passenger trains?WARNING! All T8xx empty car movements going to their depot need to be run Non ARS mode from their start! Have you a specific reason to point at trains going to depot? If so, which depot(s)? Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 17:34 #118681 | |
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clive
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9pN1SEAp in post 118666 said:Could T808 be seeded as a dummy with a next working, that should sort the ARS out?If you can provide edits to the timetable that solve it I can look at integrating them. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 17:57 #118682 | |
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MarkC
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clive in post 118680 said:BarryM in post 118659 said:Clive while testing, I did find that the Txxx trains affected where those heading to Ho Tung Lau Depot from locations north of the depot.mm2mm2 in post 118649 said:What makes you say that? It may be worth keeping an eye on them until I figure out what the issue is, if any, but that seems an overly broad statement.Is it an ARS issue or timetable issue that the ARS gives priority to empty trains (trains with "Txxx" code) over passenger trains?WARNING! All T8xx empty car movements going to their depot need to be run Non ARS mode from their start! Last edited: 02/06/2019 at 18:04 by MarkC Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 02/06/2019 at 17:58 #118683 | |
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garylaw
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Perhaps we can seed T806 at Racecourse Platform 2 as it is not being used in the morning.
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| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 03/06/2019 at 09:08 #118694 | |
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mm2mm2
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clive in post 118679 said:mm2mm2 in post 118649 said:I'll try to do this tonight.Is it an ARS issue or timetable issue that the ARS gives priority to empty trains (trains with "Txxx" code) over passenger trains?I don't believe ARS does that and there's no specific logic in the sim to do that. It's possible there are some errors in the data. I could do with a couple of saved games from just *before* it sets the route that I can investigate. You can email them directly to me; no need to take up space here. BTW I'm currently working on converting the E158WNX2 timetable (Oct, 2015, weekday timetable with Racecourse trains at nighttime) into a SimSig timetable for EAL. Last edited: 03/06/2019 at 09:10 by mm2mm2 Reason: Adding the phrase "weekday timetable" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 03/06/2019 at 13:44 #118707 | |
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alvinhochun
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clive in post 118679 said:mm2mm2 in post 118649 said:Can the snapshot I uploaded in https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49888?postId=118668 help? It should show the issue.Is it an ARS issue or timetable issue that the ARS gives priority to empty trains (trains with "Txxx" code) over passenger trains?I don't believe ARS does that and there's no specific logic in the sim to do that. It's possible there are some errors in the data. I could do with a couple of saved games from just *before* it sets the route that I can investigate. You can email them directly to me; no need to take up space here. Last edited: 03/06/2019 at 13:45 by alvinhochun Reason: grammar is hard Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |
| Hong Kong East - EAL0812W003 05/06/2019 at 12:43 #118747 | |
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clive
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alvinhochun in post 118707 said:In this case, no, a picture doesn't help. I need a saved game from *just before* the route is set for the wrong train; I can then use that to test solutions. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: wesley2628 |