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| Failed feathers/stencils 14/10/2019 at 20:53 #121032 | |
jc92
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Just a thought for the future. could failed route indicators be simulated where only one route of a main aspect with multiple routes fails to clear, remaining at red where the indicator has failed to prove, but clears correctly for all other routes. I suspect not as simple to recreate with specifically coding which route doesn't use an indicator at all but still an idea.
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| Failed feathers/stencils 14/10/2019 at 21:29 #121034 | |
ajax103
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jc92 in post 121032 said:Just a thought for the future. could failed route indicators be simulated where only one route of a main aspect with multiple routes fails to clear, remaining at red where the indicator has failed to prove, but clears correctly for all other routes. I suspect not as simple to recreate with specifically coding which route doesn't use an indicator at all but still an idea.A good idea, I would like to see this if it’s possible? Log in to reply |
| Failed feathers/stencils 14/10/2019 at 23:00 #121037 | |
Edgemaster
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SimSig doesn't know whether routes have stencils or feathers given current sim data. However, such routes are often also approach controlled. Maybe routes with approach control being able to fail would be a good proxy for routes that have route indications liable to fail?
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| Failed feathers/stencils 14/10/2019 at 23:09 #121038 | |
JamesN
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I recall raising this as a feature request on mantis a very very long time ago - not in a position to root around at present if someone wants to dig out the ticket number...
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| Failed feathers/stencils 14/10/2019 at 23:11 #121039 | |
pedroathome
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JamesN in post 121038 said:I recall raising this as a feature request on mantis a very very long time ago - not in a position to root around at present if someone wants to dig out the ticket number...As logged by yourself, No. 5285 Log in to reply The following user said thank you: JamesN |
| Failed feathers/stencils 15/10/2019 at 08:07 #121046 | |
Splodge
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Im not sure feathers/stencils/theatres are proved? I’ve seen the 14 indication at Piccadilly fail and the signal cleared at normal - the signaller was only aware when the first train stopped to query it. Feathers are unlikely to fail with them consisting of 5 lamps, the first a signaller would know is if a driver was to query the route or an RT3185 form is filled out to inform Network Rail of lamps being unlit. There's the right way, the wrong way and the railway. Log in to reply |
| Failed feathers/stencils 15/10/2019 at 10:31 #121047 | |
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jc92
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Splodge in post 121046 said:Im not sure feathers/stencils/theatres are proved? I’ve seen the 14 indication at Piccadilly fail and the signal cleared at normal - the signaller was only aware when the first train stopped to query it.Unless things have changed 3 out of 5 need to prove for the signal to clear "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Failed feathers/stencils 15/10/2019 at 11:29 #121048 | |
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kbarber
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jc92 in post 121047 said:Splodge in post 121046 said:That was my understanding too. And where the old multi-lamp theatre indicators were provided, proving had to ensure a mutilated indication couldn't be misread as a different indication. (Imagine trying to work that one out!!!)Im not sure feathers/stencils/theatres are proved? I’ve seen the 14 indication at Piccadilly fail and the signal cleared at normal - the signaller was only aware when the first train stopped to query it.Unless things have changed 3 out of 5 need to prove for the signal to clear Log in to reply |
| Failed feathers/stencils 15/10/2019 at 13:09 #121051 | |
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clive
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kbarber in post 121048 said:Depending on the indications, it isn't too hard. The example in the text books is "P" versus "F", where you just prove most of the lamps in the curved bit of the "P". Also, you only need to prove if misreading would produce a serious risk or operational problem, so where there's a noticeable difference in speed or if the feathered route leads you off the end of the wires. Log in to reply |
| Failed feathers/stencils 15/10/2019 at 16:39 #121056 | |
GeoffM
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As others have pointed out, it's not as simple as "lit" or "unlit". Theatre boxes are the worst (the ones made from forming letters/digits out of dots of light rather than stencils) can be proved for some characters and not others. Some routes have two indicators (SN120, unless it changed with the recontrol).
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| Failed feathers/stencils 15/10/2019 at 19:19 #121059 | |
lazzer
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GeoffM in post 121056 said:As others have pointed out, it's not as simple as "lit" or "unlit". Theatre boxes are the worst (the ones made from forming letters/digits out of dots of light rather than stencils) can be proved for some characters and not others. Some routes have two indicators (SN120, unless it changed with the recontrol).By "SN" do you mean Swindon? Last edited: 15/10/2019 at 19:20 by lazzer Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Failed feathers/stencils 15/10/2019 at 20:03 #121060 | |
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pedroathome
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lazzer in post 121059 said:GeoffM in post 121056 said:I'd guess Geoff is referring to Slough New in this case.As others have pointed out, it's not as simple as "lit" or "unlit". Theatre boxes are the worst (the ones made from forming letters/digits out of dots of light rather than stencils) can be proved for some characters and not others. Some routes have two indicators (SN120, unless it changed with the recontrol).By "SN" do you mean Swindon? Log in to reply |
| Failed feathers/stencils 15/10/2019 at 20:20 #121061 | |
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GeoffM
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pedroathome in post 121060 said:lazzer in post 121059 said:Yes, sorry. Setting the route up line 3 from there used to take ages because first one indicator had to be proved lit before the 2nd, until finally the signal aspect could show proceed.GeoffM in post 121056 said:I'd guess Geoff is referring to Slough New in this case.As others have pointed out, it's not as simple as "lit" or "unlit". Theatre boxes are the worst (the ones made from forming letters/digits out of dots of light rather than stencils) can be proved for some characters and not others. Some routes have two indicators (SN120, unless it changed with the recontrol).By "SN" do you mean Swindon? SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Failed feathers/stencils 15/10/2019 at 20:20 #121062 | |
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lazzer
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pedroathome in post 121060 said:lazzer in post 121059 said:In that case, SN120 now has THREE junction indicators (1, 2, 3), with four routes available. Although indicators 2 and 3 are in use, I've never seen them lit. They'd only be used for trains being sent from the Up Main across to Lines 4, 5 and 6 (which becomes the new Crossrail East line at Westbourne Park Junction).GeoffM in post 121056 said:I'd guess Geoff is referring to Slough New in this case.As others have pointed out, it's not as simple as "lit" or "unlit". Theatre boxes are the worst (the ones made from forming letters/digits out of dots of light rather than stencils) can be proved for some characters and not others. Some routes have two indicators (SN120, unless it changed with the recontrol).By "SN" do you mean Swindon? Last edited: 15/10/2019 at 20:20 by lazzer Reason: None given Log in to reply |