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0G02 did not have permission 24/11/2019 at 21:09 #121901
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227 posts 		Extract of message window:

03:33:34 7K91 has permission at Ferrybridge PS Controller
03:33:34 0G02 has permission at Knottingley TMD
03:33:43 6K81 arrived at Milford West Sidings 5 min(s) late
03:34:28 Point normalisation alarm for PF2120
03:34:44 6K81 has finished dividing
03:35:17 0G02 did not have permission (Knottingley TMD)

At 3:33:34 I checked given permissions and had both 7K91 and 0G02 with permissions. 2 minutes later I'm informed 0G02 did not have permission.... :(

Loader: v4.15.1
Timetable: West Yorkshire July 1991 - September 1991 Timetable
Sim version: 2.3
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0G02 did not have permission 25/11/2019 at 11:34 #121905
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2660 posts 		nroberts in post 121901 said:
Extract of message window:

03:33:34 7K91 has permission at Ferrybridge PS Controller
03:33:34 0G02 has permission at Knottingley TMD
03:33:43 6K81 arrived at Milford West Sidings 5 min(s) late
03:34:28 Point normalisation alarm for PF2120
03:34:44 6K81 has finished dividing
03:35:17 0G02 did not have permission (Knottingley TMD)

At 3:33:34 I checked given permissions and had both 7K91 and 0G02 with permissions. 2 minutes later I'm informed 0G02 did not have permission.... :(

Looks like a bit of a cpntradiction in terms of who was & wasn't given permission. Clearly permission was given at 03.33, but them 2 mins later saying it wasn't. I doubt it's a TT error as I can't say I've noticed this before, even whilst Kev & I were testing through the TT. Maybe someone who knows motr yjam I do about the core code maybe be able to shed some light on this. Don't think anuone else has mentioned this before, unless they were fully paying attention to the ,essages coming through at the time. I'll have a chat with Kev & see what he says but I'm sure he would have flagged it up whilst we were testing the TT.


Loader: v4.15.1
Timetable: West Yorkshire July 1991 - September 1991 Timetable
Sim version: 2.3
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0G02 did not have permission 25/11/2019 at 18:02 #121924
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22 posts 		I had the same problem today with 0A02.
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0G02 did not have permission 25/11/2019 at 19:12 #121928
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Online 		Quite a while since I have played West Yorkshire, but I seem to recall I had the same problem with a number of locos at Knottingley TMD.
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0G02 did not have permission 25/11/2019 at 21:27 #121931
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227 posts 		Maybe there's something in the way that entry-points are defined whereby if the loco does not enter on the exact expected entry point it's considered non-authorized. However **this is clearly speculation** aimed at maybe giving ideas to the devs as to what may have caused it.

Independently of this I find this an excellent simulation to enjoy (particularly if you try the "heavy freight" in the early morning with miriad loco and freight movements).

Definitely one of the most interesting sims in terms of variety...
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0G02 did not have permission 26/11/2019 at 08:29 #121933
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39 posts 		Could you add a savegame, or explain where you tried to send 0G02?

All loco's destined to Knottingley TMD should enter behind either signal FE5414 or FE5415. Most (if not all) of them need to reverse at England Lane LC (behind FE5424) to enter.

If you route it straight in from Knottingley West Jn, you get the 'no permission' message.

This thread: https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49657 also has an explanation about this.
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0G02 did not have permission 26/11/2019 at 08:42 #121935
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22 posts 		vloris in post 121933 said:
Could you add a savegame, or explain where you tried to send 0G02?

All loco's destined to Knottingley TMD should enter behind either signal FE5414 or FE5415. Most (if not all) of them need to reverse at England Lane LC (behind FE5424) to enter.

If you route it straight in from Knottingley West Jn, you get the 'no permission' message.

This thread: https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49657 also has an explanation about this.
This explains why I received the 'no permission' message.
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0G02 did not have permission 26/11/2019 at 16:27 #121938
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963 posts 		58050 in post 121905 said:
nroberts in post 121901 said:
Extract of message window:

03:33:34 7K91 has permission at Ferrybridge PS Controller
03:33:34 0G02 has permission at Knottingley TMD
03:33:43 6K81 arrived at Milford West Sidings 5 min(s) late
03:34:28 Point normalisation alarm for PF2120
03:34:44 6K81 has finished dividing
03:35:17 0G02 did not have permission (Knottingley TMD)

At 3:33:34 I checked given permissions and had both 7K91 and 0G02 with permissions. 2 minutes later I'm informed 0G02 did not have permission.... :(

Looks like a bit of a cpntradiction in terms of who was & wasn't given permission. Clearly permission was given at 03.33, but them 2 mins later saying it wasn't. I doubt it's a TT error as I can't say I've noticed this before, even whilst Kev & I were testing through the TT. Maybe someone who knows motr yjam I do about the core code maybe be able to shed some light on this. Don't think anuone else has mentioned this before, unless they were fully paying attention to the ,essages coming through at the time. I'll have a chat with Kev & see what he says but I'm sure he would have flagged it up whilst we were testing the TT.


Loader: v4.15.1
Timetable: West Yorkshire July 1991 - September 1991 Timetable
Sim version: 2.3
It's as others have said. You need to send the engine into the correct end of the shed. Almost everything goes in at the England Lane end.

Kev
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0G02 did not have permission 26/11/2019 at 18:05 #121940
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227 posts 		vloris in post 121933 said:
Could you add a savegame, or explain where you tried to send 0G02?

All loco's destined to Knottingley TMD should enter behind either signal FE5414 or FE5415. Most (if not all) of them need to reverse at England Lane LC (behind FE5424) to enter.

If you route it straight in from Knottingley West Jn, you get the 'no permission' message.

This thread: https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/ThreadView/49657 also has an explanation about this.
Got it. That was the problem. As it did not mention reversing at England Lane I sent it straight in.

Many thanks.
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0G02 did not have permission 26/11/2019 at 18:15 #121941
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4869 posts 		Trains failing to phone wrong route at FE5398 has been reported on Mantis 28320
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer
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