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| Train UID Letter codes 06/02/2020 at 06:33 #123182 | |
Underwood
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Hello all, On making the Three Bridges engineering weekend timetable, including another one I'm doing, I've noticed different letters used for the trains UID which I assume has some form of meaning, and I think I've worked some out. W, for example W26545, is a normal schedule? (Though diverted trains have this, though they would have been long term planned). X, for example X66244, STP Schedule? O, for example O24655, VSTP Schedule? Y, for example Y77040, not sure what Y would be, only found these on Thameslink Horsham - London Bridge services. G, for example G26545, not sure on this, seems to crop up on the odd pattern schedule, such as hourly Hove shuttles, most start with a W, the odd one starts with a G. Or am I reading it all wrong and the letters mean something else? Thank you, James. Log in to reply |
| Train UID Letter codes 06/02/2020 at 20:04 #123186 | |
GeoffM
6376 posts |
I believe they originated from the former train planning offices: W - Wimbledon (Southern) P - Plymouth (Western) G - Glasgow (Scottish) L/Y - London? (Eastern/Anglia?) C - Crewe? (Midlands?) However, as you say, these days G is used on the Hoves which ought to be Scotland, and numerous others don't fit the pattern any more. Back in the 2003 extract I can't spot any southern G UIDs, so perhaps the initial letter is not really meaningful anymore. I can't help with STP/VSTP UIDs. SimSig Boss Last edited: 06/02/2020 at 20:55 by GeoffM Reason: Grammar Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Underwood |
| Train UID Letter codes 06/02/2020 at 20:23 #123188 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
2080 posts |
V seems fairly common for VSTP
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| Train UID Letter codes 06/02/2020 at 21:02 #123189 | |
Meld
1111 posts |
I would go along with L for London - mainly on TFL services atm. Y I assume would be York
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| Train UID Letter codes 06/02/2020 at 21:08 #123190 | |
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GeoffM
6376 posts |
From the recognised expert on train describer logic and other things  , Peter Hicks of www.opentraintimes.comQuote: That was the case 'back in the day', it indicated the lead TPU, and a range of numbers indicated the different team (LTP and STP). But now it's all Milton Keynes, it's largely irrelevant. STPs may still get their own range of UIDs, but it's ceased to mean anything. SimSig Boss Last edited: 06/02/2020 at 21:09 by GeoffM Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Underwood, Meld |
| Train UID Letter codes 11/02/2020 at 13:16 #123242 | |
Chrisrail
384 posts |
TID Class 1 services (WTT) 1Axx London Victoria and Brighton (fast) 1Bxx Horsham and Bognor Regis / Portsmouth Harbour (portion of 1Cxx / 1Jxx) 1Cxx London Victoria and Bognor Regis/Portsmouth Harbour via Three Bridges and Horsham 1Dxx London Victoria and Gatwick Airport DOWN DIRECTION 1Exx London Bridge and Uckfield 1Fxx London Victoria/London Bridge and Eastbourne / Hastings / Ore / Seaford 1Gxx Brighton and Hastings (semi-fast) 1Hxx London Victoria/London Bridge and Littlehampton via Hove 1Ixx London Victoria and Sutton / Epsom / Dorking / Horsham via Mitcham Junction (semi-fast) Stops ONLY at Clapham Junction between London Victoria and Streatham North Junction, regardless of its booked line 1Jxx London Victoria and Southampton Central via Three Bridges and Horsham 1Kxx London Bridge and Epsom / Guildford via West Croydon (semi-fast) 1Lxx London Victoria and East Grinstead 1Mxx Brighton and London Victoria (Gatwick Express) UP DIRECTION 1Nxx Brighton and Southampton Central via Swanwick 1Oxx Reading and Redhill / Gatwick Airport West of England / South Wales to Brighton via Salisbury and Havant 1Pxx London Bridge and Caterham (semi-fast) 1Qxx Network Rail Test Trains 1Rxx London Victoria and Reigate 1Sxx Brighton and Portsmouth Harbour 1Txx London Victoria and Three Bridges via Redhill 1Uxx Brighton or Gatwick Airport and London Victoria (Gatwick Express) UP DIRECTION xi TID Class 1 services (WTT) 1Vxx Gatwick Airport / Redhill and Reading Brighton and West of England / South Wales via Salisbury and Havant 1Wxx London Victoria and Brighton (Gatwick Express) DOWN DIRECTION 1Xxx NOT USED 1Yxx Brighton and Southampton Central via Eastleigh (1Y50 to 1Y99 range) London Victoria and Caterham (1Y00 to 1Y49) 1Zxx Special Traffic/Charter services TID Class 2 services (WTT) 2Axx Redhill and Tonbridge 2Bxx Victoria and Sutton / Epsom Downs via Balham and Selhurst Barnham and Bognor Regis 2Cxx Brighton and Seaford 2Dxx Eastbourne / Hastings and Ashford International (includes Rye shuttle) 2Exx Brighton and Littlehampton 2Fxx London Victoria and London Bridge via Crystal Palace 2Gxx Brighton and Hastings (stopping services) 2Hxx London Bridge and Beckenham Junction 2Ixx London Victoria and Sutton / Epsom / Dorking / Horsham via Mitcham Junction (stopping) Stops at additional stations other than just Clapham Junction between London Victoria and Streatham North Junction and is booked to use the Slow Line 2Jxx London Bridge and Caterham via Tulse Hill and Selhurst xii TID Class 2 services (WTT) 2Kxx London Victoria and West Croydon via Crystal Palace 2Lxx Brighton and Lewes 2Mxx East Croydon and Watford Junction / Milton Keynes Central 2Nxx Brighton and Hove 2Oxx Milton Keynes Central / Watford Junction and East Croydon Reading and Redhill / Gatwick Airport 2Pxx Purley and Tattenham Corner (portion working with London Bridge – Caterham services) Littlehampton and Bognor Regis 2Qxx Network Rail Test Trains 2Rxx Redhill and Reigate 2Sxx Littlehampton and Portsmouth & Southsea 2Txx London Bridge and Coulsdon Town or Sutton via Sydenham 2Uxx Brighton and West Worthing 2Vxx Gatwick Airport /Redhill and Reading 2Wxx London Bridge and Blackfriars via Mitcham Junction, Sutton and Wimbledon 2Xxx NOT USED 2Yxx Purley and Tattenham Corner (portion working with London Victoria – Caterham services) 2Zxx NOT USED TID Class 9 services (WTT) 9Axx East London Line to Crystal Palace 9Bxx East London Line from Crystal Palace 9Cxx East London Line to West Croydon 9Dxx East London Line from West Croydon 9Exx East London Line to New Cross 9Fxx East London Line from New Cross 9Gxx East London Line to Clapham Junction 9Hxx East London Line from Clapham Junction and Battersea Park 9Ixx East London Line to/from New Cross Gate 9Jxx Peterborough and Horsham via London Bridge and Redhill 9Kxx Luton / Kentish Town and Orpington via Catford 9Lxx Bedford and East Grinstead via London Bridge xiii 9Mxx Services terminating at St Pancras from the Midland Main Line East London Line services to Battersea Park 9Nxx Bedford and Littlehampton via London Bridge and Hove 9Oxx St Albans and Sutton via Mitcham Eastfields, Sutton and St Albans via Wimbledon 9Pxx Luton and Rainham via London Bridge and Greenwich 9Qxx NOT USED 9Rxx Bedford and Three Bridges / Brighton via London Bridge and Redhill 9Sxx Cambridge and Brighton via London Bridge and Quarry Lines 9Txx Bedford and Three Bridges / Brighton via London Bridge and Quarry Lines 9Uxx Cambridge and Maidstone East / Ashford via London Bridge and Swanley 9Vxx St Albans and Sutton via Wimbledon, Sutton and St Albans via Mitcham Eastfields 9Wxx Bedford and Three Bridges / Brighton via Tulse Hill and Streatham Common 9Xxx NOT USED 9Yxx Welwyn Garden City / Blackfriars and Sevenoaks via Catford and Swanley 9Zxx Not to be used in the WTT 4. Third and Fourth Character: 4.1 London Victoria to/from Sussex: Up arrivals at London Victoria ODD NUMBERS Down departures from London Victoria EVEN NUMBERS 4.2 London Bridge (Central) to/from Sussex: Up arrivals at London Bridge EVEN NUMBERS Down departures from London Bridge ODD NUMBERS 4.3 All other services: Up services ODD NUMBERS Down services EVEN NUMBERS Log in to reply |
| Train UID Letter codes 12/02/2020 at 00:18 #123252 | |
Edgemaster
332 posts |
Chrisrail in post 123242 said:TID Class 1 services (WTT)Those are not UID letters, but train headcode letters, which are documented in the relevant timetable era's planning rules document (current ones available under the Operational Rules (EAS-TPR) section here). Log in to reply |
| Train UID Letter codes 12/02/2020 at 13:06 #123259 | |
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Sacro
1171 posts |
Edgemaster in post 123252 said:Chrisrail in post 123242 said:They are not headcode letters, headcodes on the Southern are numbers. They are train identity lettersTID Class 1 services (WTT)Those are not UID letters, but train headcode letters, which are documented in the relevant timetable era's planning rules document (current ones available under the Operational Rules (EAS-TPR) section here). Log in to reply |
| Train UID Letter codes 12/02/2020 at 14:38 #123263 | |
DriverCurran
688 posts |
Ben Not necessarily just numbers on the Southern. Here is a train from my Lancing Winter 82/83 timetable that is nearly ready that has letters in the two character headcode. 6Y32 01:27 Three Bridges P.A.D - Salisbury Yard [4G] {33044 [HG]} {HG 132} Paul You have to get a red before you can get any other colour Log in to reply |
| Train UID Letter codes 14/02/2020 at 00:19 #123295 | |
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Underwood
748 posts |
Thank you for the responses! Thank you Geoff for the link on Open Train Times and the quotes, most appreciated! James. Log in to reply |