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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 17/08/2020 at 23:18 #130800
Rocangus
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After getting to know that there are requirements for being allowed to list games one wishes to host on the website, I found that there is no easily found information on what you need to do to get access to that function. It would be nice to have an outline on how long you need to be a registered member or such that needs to happen before you're given those rights.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 17/08/2020 at 23:32 #130801
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It's 7 days. The website will have a longer, more specific message than it does currently next time I upload it.

Note that there is no restriction on hosting a game itself; it's just the advertising of it on this website for reasons already explained (shoutbox IIRC). It's always best to join a game to see how it's done as hosting is not as easy as it looks.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 18/08/2020 at 07:48 #130806
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Okay, thank you very much for clarifying!
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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 18/08/2020 at 11:34 #130815
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Hi Geoff,

What your opinion be on new users advertising in "Temporary Postings"? Or maybe a specific sub-section of the Forum?

If it were there rather than on the "proper" games list you'd know it was likely to a somewhat 'experimental' hosting.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 18/08/2020 at 14:35 #130821
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Unfortunately there was a bit of a period where several people (to remain nameless) decided to host games without knowing what it entailed, and without even knowing how that simulation worked. Essentially you have to know how to open ports accept connections etc, while also being the equivalent for an SSM on that Sim, knowing where things are, where you can shunt etc if people are confused, and also an Incident Controller/Train Running Controller to deal with incidents and create/amend timetables.

It's still possibly a good idea to look into something that could reduce this, but also ensure people have the knowledge before advertising and hosting games.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 18/08/2020 at 15:38 #130825
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9pN1SEAp in post 130815 said:
Hi Geoff,

What your opinion be on new users advertising in "Temporary Postings"? Or maybe a specific sub-section of the Forum?

If it were there rather than on the "proper" games list you'd know it was likely to a somewhat 'experimental' hosting.

Thanks
Jamie
Defeats part of the point though: spamming. Also means people have two places to find games (not good).

Better that newbies walk before they run.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 18/08/2020 at 16:17 #130829
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GeoffM in post 130825 said:
9pN1SEAp in post 130815 said:
Hi Geoff,

What your opinion be on new users advertising in "Temporary Postings"? Or maybe a specific sub-section of the Forum?

If it were there rather than on the "proper" games list you'd know it was likely to a somewhat 'experimental' hosting.

Thanks
Jamie
Defeats part of the point though: spamming. Also means people have two places to find games (not good).

Better that newbies walk before they run.
The same with hosting, rather then start big eg host two or more Sims I feel it's better for those hosting first time to host something simple eg Kings Cross, Peterborough or even Exeter then as they gain experience then consider doing multi sim chains.

It's not to discourage anyone but I do feel that it's best to walk before you run.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 20/08/2020 at 15:16 #130894
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oj12103 in post 130821 said:
Unfortunately there was a bit of a period where several people (to remain nameless) decided to host games without knowing what it entailed, and without even knowing how that simulation worked. Essentially you have to know how to open ports accept connections etc, while also being the equivalent for an SSM on that Sim, knowing where things are, where you can shunt etc if people are confused, and also an Incident Controller/Train Running Controller to deal with incidents and create/amend timetables.

It's still possibly a good idea to look into something that could reduce this, but also ensure people have the knowledge before advertising and hosting games.
Agree with all the points here, particularly the one about knowing all about the sim. I've been on many a game where I (or others) are unsure about how to operate a particular set of points, or gain access to a yard etc, and it's far better when the host knows exactly what is meant to happen!

Also people need to realise when they host they shouldn't always expect a panel, let alone automatically taking the most popular one. When I host i'm more interested in making it enjoyable for the players than selfishly just wanting to 'play trains'.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 20/08/2020 at 16:25 #130896
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The first place to start with any sim is the manual.

https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=simulations.

In the interest of fairness here, Just want to point out that there are no rules on the point that hosts shouldn't take panels. Any member can run a session in any way they would like to. It is up to the client to decide whether the scenario is for them or not and whether or not they will join that hosts future games.

https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:ssrun:multiplayer:hosting

Not everyone is a signaller in this forum and amongst that, not everyone will know how everything is meant to work exactly. I've been here 7 years and I am a tester, I work in the rail industry and I am still learning things...(both with Simsig and my work (14 years)).

Everyone who joins this community has to start somewhere and without passing judgement on any new or regular host, again it is up to those who join initially to a session whether they would want to join again.

The sims are meant to be fun, a past-time but also give an insight to how signalling works. for example, I wouldn't stroll into an interview for a signallers job and say I play Simsig so I am fully qualified to signal the real things.

In closing, Anyone can run a sim to the best of their ability by starting off with the Simulation manuals. If there's something that has been overlooked and not stated in the manual then usual processes apply by bringing it to the attention on the forum where one of the team will endeavour to investigate and rectify as required. :)

Craig.

How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue
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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 22/08/2020 at 22:52 #130960
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andyallen4014 in post 130894 said:


Also people need to realise when they host they shouldn't always expect a panel, let alone automatically taking the most popular one. When I host i'm more interested in making it enjoyable for the players than selfishly just wanting to 'play trains'.
Whilst I agree with the general idea here, I think the host should be just as entitled to have a play too. In the interest of fairness I do a bit of everything and if the sim is busy will generally give up whatever i'm signalling, but the game is supposed to be enjoyable for the host too in my opinion and I'd hardly describe it as selfish for wanting to partake in the game too.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 23/08/2020 at 02:36 #130963
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James67001 in post 130960 said:
andyallen4014 in post 130894 said:


Also people need to realise when they host they shouldn't always expect a panel, let alone automatically taking the most popular one. When I host i'm more interested in making it enjoyable for the players than selfishly just wanting to 'play trains'.
Whilst I agree with the general idea here, I think the host should be just as entitled to have a play too. In the interest of fairness I do a bit of everything and if the sim is busy will generally give up whatever i'm signalling, but the game is supposed to be enjoyable for the host too in my opinion and I'd hardly describe it as selfish for wanting to partake in the game too.
I don’t think andyallen is saying that hosts should -never- take a panel, I think his comments are more levelled at the hosts who routinely host and squat on the busiest/most interesting panel without fail - they can’t cope with the whole sim so do the interesting bit but open it up for other players to do the bits they consider unworthy of their attention. I’d concur that those hosts are selfish.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 23/08/2020 at 10:17 #130964
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JamesN in post 130963 said:
James67001 in post 130960 said:
andyallen4014 in post 130894 said:


Also people need to realise when they host they shouldn't always expect a panel, let alone automatically taking the most popular one. When I host i'm more interested in making it enjoyable for the players than selfishly just wanting to 'play trains'.
Whilst I agree with the general idea here, I think the host should be just as entitled to have a play too. In the interest of fairness I do a bit of everything and if the sim is busy will generally give up whatever i'm signalling, but the game is supposed to be enjoyable for the host too in my opinion and I'd hardly describe it as selfish for wanting to partake in the game too.


I don’t think andyallen is saying that hosts should -never- take a panel, I think his comments are more levelled at the hosts who routinely host and squat on the busiest/most interesting panel without fail - they can’t cope with the whole sim so do the interesting bit but open it up for other players to do the bits they consider unworthy of their attention. I’d concur that those hosts are selfish.
Indeed - that is what I was getting at (apologies if I wasn't clear). For instance a Birmingham New Street game where the host always takes Centre panel. Especially on the busier sims the host should be there to act as control as well and oversee (but not interfere) and it's hard to do that when signalling a busy panel.

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Game Hosting Listing Requirements 23/08/2020 at 13:43 #130966
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yes, I'm in agreement! on the picc game, last night Longsight was empty as the person on it had to leave so I took over, so think the host can step in and operate panels as and when they are needed if not enough people turn up etc. But i try and make sure to give the busy panels first, so when no new people appear the host can work the quiet panels if necessary and leave the busy (interesting) panels to the players!
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