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| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 30/05/2021 at 20:16 #139795 | |
grahamj42
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Track circuit TDJC has failed. 5J70 called in and I told the driver to pass the signal at danger and examine the line. More than 15 minutes later he hasn't moved. When I told him again, the F2 window showed a speed of 0 mph for a second before returning to "Stopped at signal 902". Saved game attached. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 30/05/2021 at 21:28 #139801 | |
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y10g9
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I can see the issue and will give a brief explanation of what has happened. When 5J70 phoned in at the Red signal initially, He isn't phoning from 902 but a signal called Newton Heath Loco Sidings. From what I can tell from the sim, this is a hidden signal in the debug area prior to 902 as a train head on protection. The purpose of this signal is to allow a train to still drop off the sim if a train has entered at the loco sidings. This hidden signal clears automatically when 902 has a procced aspect displayed and so normally causes no issues.  The Hidden signal is the shunt signal to the right of the 0902 text.  This is the initial phonecall I received from 5J70 The issue (which I've reported to Mantis 33793) is that when 5J70 is told to pass the signal, he does not actually pass the hidden signal before he stops at 902. This puts the train into a confused state where he still has the pass signal at danger command active for Signal Newton Heath Loco Sidings but he is stopped at 902 signal. To work around this, if you ask 5J70 to shunt forwards (F2 window, right click on 5J70, Signaling Options, Shunt Forward) he will shunt forwards enough to clear the Pass Sig Command (the Pass Sig column in F2 will remove the Y when the command is no longer active). You will then be able to tell him to pass 902 at stop (or Pass at stop and examine) where he will continue on his way and head for Thorpes Bridge Junction  Circled is the Pass signal command. After telling 5J70 to shunt forwards, this Y will disappear, and you'll be able to ask him to pass 902 Thanks for the Save Game (SSG) attached to your initial post. It was very helpful in being able to identify the issue quickly. In future, it would also be appreciated to know the know the sim and loader versions as well. This means that we can test for the issue on the same version you are using. As a tester, I currently have multiple versions of Man North on my computer (in multiple locations) as we are testing a new version of the sim with other fixes in it. Knowing the version you have found the issue on helps speed up that process for us as it could have been fixed in a test version of the sim already. To aid with this, the Loader has a feature on the Help, About window. If you click on the Technical info tab, this provides version numbers as well as relevant startup options. Just click Copy and Paste the data into the forum post along with you report. An example of the info provided is below Quote: OS: Windows 10 Home 64bit Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 30/05/2021 at 21:53 by y10g9 Reason: Adding Mantis Number Log in to reply The following user said thank you: grahamj42 |
| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 31/05/2021 at 09:27 #139805 | |
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grahamj42
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Thank you very much for your clear explanation. I didn't think to check the signal number. I'm sorry I forgot to give the version information. Noted for the next time. I must also apologise for putting this in the timetable rather than the sim folder where it really belongs. Last edited: 31/05/2021 at 09:29 by grahamj42 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 31/05/2021 at 11:37 #139808 | |
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y10g9
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No worries. I’m sure a mod will get the class 08 shunter fired up at some point.
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| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 31/05/2021 at 12:02 #139809 | |
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bill_gensheet
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y10g9 in post 139801 said:Would it be possible for this data to be wrapped up in the .ssg file in future ? Bill Log in to reply |
| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 31/05/2021 at 12:19 #139811 | |
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Dionysusnu
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bill_gensheet in post 139809 said:y10g9 in post 139801 said:Would it be possible for this data to be wrapped up in the .ssg file in future ? Most of it already is. The loader, sim and compiler version are in the first line of XML file. The startup options can be found with a quick CTRL + F. Quote:
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| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 31/05/2021 at 20:21 #139822 | |
bugsy
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How many lines of the text is required? Would the first six suffice?
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| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 31/05/2021 at 23:45 #139823 | |
headshot119
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bugsy in post 139822 said:How many lines of the text is required? Would the first six suffice?Hi Bugsy, if you're referring to the "Technical info" found under Hamburger > Help > About > Technical Info. Then we need all of that information to get a complete picture, you can get it quickly by pressing the Copy button and then pasting it onto the forum. If you're referring to the post by Dionysusnu then we don't need to people to unpack save game and attempt to find what we need, the built in loader feature gives everything we need quickly and easily, and factors in any changes executed on reloading save games etc. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 01/06/2021 at 07:55 #139826 | |
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bugsy
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headshot119 in post 139823 said:bugsy in post 139822 said:Hi Headshot119. Yes ,it's the "Technical Info" that I'm referring to. Thanks for making that clear.How many lines of the text is required? Would the first six suffice?Hi Bugsy, if you're referring to the "Technical info" found under Hamburger > Help > About > Technical Info. Then we need all of that information to get a complete picture, you can get it quickly by pressing the Copy button and then pasting it onto the forum. I've just got to re-run a Peterborough 1977 saved game to see if I can sort out what's going on. Failing that, I may well have to ask for some help and of course, I'll provide the "Technical Info" along with my question. Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 01/06/2021 at 11:54 #139830 | |
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Dionysusnu
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headshot119 in post 139823 said:If you're referring to the post by Dionysusnu then we don't need to people to unpack save game and attempt to find what we need, the built in loader feature gives everything we need quickly and easily, and factors in any changes executed on reloading save games etc.My post was directed to the tester, not to the reporting user. There's no need to ask for the loader and sim version, both are included in the SSG file. Log in to reply |
| Train refuses to pass signal at danger exiting Newton Heath Depot 01/06/2021 at 11:59 #139831 | |
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headshot119
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Dionysusnu in post 139830 said:headshot119 in post 139823 said:We need to ask for the loader and simulation version from the Help menu, this allows us to see the actual version the person was running the save game from, and not for example having opened a save game for V1 of the simulation, from loader V4, on simulation V2, and Loader V5.If you're referring to the post by Dionysusnu then we don't need to people to unpack save game and attempt to find what we need, the built in loader feature gives everything we need quickly and easily, and factors in any changes executed on reloading save games etc.My post was directed to the tester, not to the reporting user. There's no need to ask for the loader and sim version, both are included in the SSG file. We wouldn't ask, if we didn't need to know 
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