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| Some glitches, I think. 17/08/2021 at 18:50 #141183 | |
Afterbrunel
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Excellent sim by the way. I don't think these have been reported yet. 1) If you clear the non-stop release on Kingsknowe and Kirknewton level crossings, this does not survive a save and exit when you reopen the sim on another occasion. 2) Imagine a train fails, but it will be running again at a time hh:mm. If it so happens that you save and exit at that exact time and reopen later, the sim forgets that the train is going to restart, and in fact it remains failed for ever. (I do a lot of short-ish sessions; this has happened twice in the last 12 hours of simulated time.) 3) In normal operation, when you call a route, sometimes another train is occupying the overlap. If possible intervening points will be swung to provide the overlap. This fails to happen if you try to clear E427 to E455 (platform 10) when platform 11 is occupied and the scissors points are lying normal. If you manually reverse the scissors points (platform 10 to South Loop West) E427 will then clear, with the overlap leading into S-L-West. 4) Signals E471 and E465 are sometimes cleared prematurely when a train is in the berth, about 20 minutes before the proper departure time. I haven't been able to correlate this with any explanatory factor. Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 17/08/2021 at 19:11 #141184 | |
Peter Bennet
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Afterbrunel in post 141183 said:Excellent sim by the way. I don't think these have been reported yet. What exactly are the symptoms? Quote:
I think that's core code Quote:
I suspect it wants you to use the Warner route in these circumstances. Quote:
It's set as 25 seconds, I'd need further and better particulars to comment further. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 17/08/2021 at 19:12 by Peter Bennet Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 17/08/2021 at 20:04 #141185 | |
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bill_gensheet
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Peter Bennet in post 141184 said:Afterbrunel in post 141183 said:Effect confirmed, save attached.Excellent sim by the way. I don't think these have been reported yet. Started with no timetable and paused. Clicked both 'non-stops' and set routes forward from ES692 (Kingsknowe) and EJ702 (Kirknewton) Unpaused, both signals cleared to G as expected Saved Restart and run the save Although the routes are still set up, the two signals are now R Bill Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 17/08/2021 at 20:23 #141187 | |
headshot119
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bill_gensheet in post 141185 said:Peter Bennet in post 141184 said:Could you post this to Mantis, that way there's a proper record and it won't get forgotten about.Afterbrunel in post 141183 said:Effect confirmed, save attached.Excellent sim by the way. I don't think these have been reported yet. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 17/08/2021 at 22:00 #141190 | |
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Peter Bennet
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The signal aspect in the save is 6 which is Green so the save is OK. There must be something in the loading that's tripping up. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 17/08/2021 at 22:30 #141191 | |
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Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
Might be related to Mantis 0034121, and aspects initially defaulting to red on loading. Clicking on the button again resolves for the time being. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 18/08/2021 at 05:57 #141193 | |
andyallen4014
371 posts |
Quote:Quote: I've certainly experienced this in other sims, not exclusive to Edinburgh. User | Multiplayer Host | Timetable Writer Last edited: 18/08/2021 at 05:58 by andyallen4014 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 18/08/2021 at 07:31 #141194 | |
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clive
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andyallen4014 in post 141193 said:Quote:I'm sure that's core code.Quote: I've raised Mantis 34407 for this. A saved game that shows the problem would be very useful. Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 18/08/2021 at 07:34 #141195 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
Peter Bennet in post 141190 said:The signal aspect in the save is 6 which is Green so the save is OK.If you asked me to guess, whatever special trick you're using to set the non-stop (e.g. a FLG) isn't being loaded early enough to hold the signal at green. If so, that's not going to be easy to fix. Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 18/08/2021 at 07:52 #141197 | |
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Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
clive in post 141195 said:Peter Bennet in post 141190 said:I suspect that whatever fix there is to the order of doing things will throw up a different problem.The signal aspect in the save is 6 which is Green so the save is OK.If you asked me to guess, whatever special trick you're using to set the non-stop (e.g. a FLG) isn't being loaded early enough to hold the signal at green. Mantis 0034121 might fix but it's not a fatal problem as it just needs the button pressed again. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 18/08/2021 at 09:28 #141198 | |
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bill_gensheet
1416 posts |
headshot119 in post 141187 said:bill_gensheet in post 141185 said:34408.Could you post this to Mantis, that way there's a proper record and it won't get forgotten about. Also tested on Horsham (Warnham) which does reload in non-stop / signals G Anyone else who uses sims with the same situation (AHB adjacent to a platform that has non-stop controls) please test and add. Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 18/08/2021 at 15:31 #141203 | |
GeoffM
6377 posts |
Peter Bennet in post 141197 said:Mantis 0034121 might fixNo, that's about the train reporting an adverse change of aspect immediately after loading a save and passing the signal within a second or two. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 19/08/2021 at 14:03 #141213 | |
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Afterbrunel
94 posts |
Is this a reply to me? If so I don;t understand.
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| Some glitches, I think. 19/08/2021 at 14:07 #141214 | |
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Afterbrunel
94 posts |
Is this is addressed to me? I attach a saved game. 2G29 is stalled at Dunfermline Town and will never restart.
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| Some glitches, I think. 19/08/2021 at 14:09 #141215 | |
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Afterbrunel
94 posts |
Quote:I suspect it wants you to use the Warner route in these circumstances.No, it refuses the route. As I said if you swing the scissors crossiver manually and then call teh route it will set immediately and normally with a full aspect. Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 19/08/2021 at 15:04 #141216 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
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Afterbrunel in post 141213 said:Is this a reply to me? If so I don;t understand.If you are referring to Geoff’s post, then no it was a reply to Peter. Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 19/08/2021 at 15:19 #141217 | |
Hap
1040 posts |
Afterbrunel in post 141215 said:Quote:The Yellow warner route works as expected, track circuit needs to be occupied for a certain amount of time before the route pulls off, and I've certainly been slowed coming into EDB with 11 fully occupied, a train signalled to depart from 454 to 440, resulting in the points being locked normal and came in on p10 (now p7)I suspect it wants you to use the Warner route in these circumstances.No, it refuses the route. As I said if you swing the scissors crossiver manually and then call teh route it will set immediately and normally with a full aspect. In relation to point 4. I noticed in the 1400 save that you provided that a lot of trains in the Edinburgh area have been made non-ARS. When this route pulled off exceptionally early, were there any approaching trains non-ARS? How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Last edited: 19/08/2021 at 15:29 by Hap Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 19/08/2021 at 16:42 #141218 | |
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GeoffM
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Afterbrunel in post 141213 said:Is this a reply to me? If so I don;t understand.To which reply are you referring? SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 22/08/2021 at 09:31 #141294 | |
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Afterbrunel
94 posts |
This is a reply mainly to Hap. Yes, I realise there is a delayed release for entry to an occupied berth. This thread is getting rather confused. I think this part refers to the intermittent refusal of the sim to clear a down train into platform 10 when platform 11 is occupied and the scissors points are normal. If the scissors points are manually swung to reverse then the entry signal will clear (to a full aspect). In other words the sim doesn't swing the points to get a legitimate overlap. The other situation I mentioned was the refusal of the sim to admit a second train to platform 17 when the ARS at Edinburgh is disabled. Disabling the ARS locally was a measure I was taking to avoid the premature clearance of the route for departures, which very frequently blocks punctual arrivals, and is a bl**dy nuisance. (I've been told it is not possible for me to edit the ARS logic.) When Edinburgh ARS is disabled, a second train will not be admitted to platform 17 for a join. NB I know about delayed release in this situation. If you then enable ARS the position light will clear, but if you immediately disable it again (to prevent other trains getting premature departure clearance) the position light will revert and you get adverse aspect in front of an aproaching train. (I realise there is an obvious workaround; I mention it to emphasise that this seems to be an inherent behaviour of the sim, not some combination of weird and infrequent circumstances.) Hap mentions that in another save I had made most of the trains at Edinburgh individually non-ARS. This was an alternative I was attempting to avoid the premature rlease problem. Hap also asked Quote: When this route pulled off exceptionally early, were there any approaching trains non-ARS?. My answer is several routes do it, but no. Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 22/08/2021 at 09:44 #141295 | |
postal
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Afterbrunel in post 141294 said:The other situation I mentioned was the refusal of the sim to admit a second train to platform 17 when the ARS at Edinburgh is disabled. Disabling the ARS locally was a measure I was taking to avoid the premature clearance of the route for departures, which very frequently blocks punctual arrivals, and is a bl**dy nuisance.As an alternative you could put a reminder on the P17 starter which would stop the ARS setting that particular departure route prematurely. If you are distracted elsewhere and forget to manually set the route over the reminder you soon get a phone call to let you know that the driver is fretting about the delayed departure. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Some glitches, I think. 22/08/2021 at 10:54 #141296 | |
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bill_gensheet
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Afterbrunel in post 141294 said:Tested and works as intended, save attached of a test timetable. You do though need to release the track circuit override by RIGHT clicking the red circle T button after setting up the route. ARS does that for you General wiki refers: https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:glossary:track_circuit_override Bill Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: TUT |