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Where is signal MF5 in the Down sidings? 18/10/2021 at 15:49 #141925
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1766 posts 		I'm playing the 1991 timetable and have a train (0K91) at signal No.MF5 in the Down siding complex. This isn't shown on the signal number plan and although I have played this timetable before, I can't for the life of me remember where it is and at the moment I've actually lost the plot :/

Attached is a screenshot of 0K91's tt if that helps and thanks in advance.
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Where is signal MF5 in the Down sidings? 18/10/2021 at 15:58 #141926
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532 posts 		Quote:
Working of Milford Down Sidings

Milford Down sidings consist of a Down Reception siding accessible from both ends and with a run round loop and 4 sidings. One of these sidings is in the sim, the others are external. The sidings are all controlled by a shunter using hand points and hand signals. These have been simulated using the ground frame feature. There is no release for this as it is not a ground frame in reality.

On the Reception Line at the junction end is a shunt signal (5241) that is not controlled by the signaller. It is effectively a points indicator and shows proceed automatically when the hand points ahead of it are normal allowing a train to proceed into the reception line.

There is not enough room between the exit points from the run round loop and sidings and signal M691 to reverse a train. Reversals must run via M5248 on the main line.

https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=simulations:westyorkshire
Try Show -> Lever Frames -> Milford Down Sidings
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Where is signal MF5 in the Down sidings? 18/10/2021 at 16:00 #141927
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1315 posts 		You need to open the Milford Down Sidings ground frame and "clear" the handsignal after setting the points. However, I see no signal 5 on the frame, only points 5, so I'm not sure whether your train is in siding 1 or 2-4.
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Where is signal MF5 in the Down sidings? 18/10/2021 at 20:24 #141931
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1766 posts 		Thanks for the replies guys but neither actually answers my question.

I've read the manual and have used the lever frame several times up to now although sometimes with a bit of "trial & error" in the end.
But is there a signal with the number MF5? If so, which one is it cos I don't know and I'm getting grief from the driver because I can't fathom out what to do to get him moving
I think that perhaps I'll go back to an earlier save and try something different.
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Where is signal MF5 in the Down sidings? 18/10/2021 at 20:38 #141934
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1315 posts 		MF is not an existing box prefix on the signal number plan, these are "signals" that are used to implement hand signalled commands.

You should see in your message box that the train entered from sidings 2-4 if it's there; if it's in siding 1, it will have been put or seeded there before because siding 1 is not an entry/exit point.
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Where is signal MF5 in the Down sidings? 18/10/2021 at 21:05 #141935
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285 posts 		MF5 is effectively the hand signal at the exit from Dn Sdgs 2-4 corresponding to No.8 on the ground frame plan tick boxes.

For reference:

MF1 is No.3 on the ground frame plan
MF2 is No.2 ditto
MF4 is No.4 ditto

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Where is signal MF5 in the Down sidings? 19/10/2021 at 11:47 #141945
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1766 posts 		Soton_Speed in post 141935 said:
MF5 is effectively the hand signal at the exit from Dn Sdgs 2-4 corresponding to No.8 on the ground frame plan tick boxes.

For reference:

MF1 is No.3 on the ground frame plan
MF2 is No.2 ditto
MF4 is No.4 ditto

As ever, a saved game would greatly speed the process.
This answers my question and clarifies things even more so thank very much for this info. Now I can go back to an earlier save and see how I get on.

I don't really see that a 'saved game' is really necessary at this stage but if I get tied up in knots again I'll more than likely provide one so that people can see what I've done wrong. However, I hope that this won't happen
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