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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 12/12/2021 at 12:49 #142883
bugsy
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1766 posts 		In the 2015 timetable 1E06 has appeared in the Doncaster Platform Approach berth but doesn’t show in the Simplifier for this location as far as I can see.
The first train scheduled here is 4N09 at approximately 01:52 and for which I have added a sticky note to remind me.

Is it me misreading it?

I have attached a save at 01:10 although this is approximately 9 minutes before the event.
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Didn't take account of early train 6C24, but no matter.
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Last edited: 12/12/2021 at 15:12 by bugsy
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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 12/12/2021 at 16:26 #142885
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1039 posts 		The train has entered and passed the location, it won't be on the simplifier any more.
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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 12/12/2021 at 16:50 #142887
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1766 posts 		Hap in post 142885 said:
The train has entered and passed the location, it won't be on the simplifier any more.
That's odd. I know that the timetable editor says that it has entered but I don't remember seeing it. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention, as usual.
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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 12/12/2021 at 17:26 #142888
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1766 posts 		I need to understand what the timetable editor 'greyed out' train descriptions are telling me.
In this screenshot there are two trains with the Head Code of 4N24 but with slightly differing UIDs. As neither of these trains has entered what is the tt editor telling me?
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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 12/12/2021 at 18:00 #142889
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Online 		Grey means it's not going to enter. That means it either, already has entered, or is never going to. The latter often happens with rules, for example in your case where 4N24 are alternatives and the rule has marked the second one to run.
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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 12/12/2021 at 18:04 #142890
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1039 posts 		bugsy in post 142888 said:
I need to understand what the timetable editor 'greyed out' train descriptions are telling me.
In this screenshot there are two trains with the Head Code of 4N24 but with slightly differing UIDs. As neither of these trains has entered what is the tt editor telling me?
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A decision has been made as to what one is going to enter. In this instance the decision is that 4N24/H21607 will run and H21608 wont.

Decisions can be found in the decisions tab in the F4.
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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 12/12/2021 at 21:13 #142894
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1766 posts 		Thank you Dionysusnu and Hap for your explanations.

Going back to my original post, I think that 1E06 was not going to enter, but I will go back to an earlier save in the morning to check whether or not that was the case or whether I just didn't remember it bring in the sim.

I'll update this post accordingly.
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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 12/12/2021 at 22:35 #142895
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Online 		Hap in post 142890 said:
bugsy in post 142888 said:
I need to understand what the timetable editor 'greyed out' train descriptions are telling me.
In this screenshot there are two trains with the Head Code of 4N24 but with slightly differing UIDs. As neither of these trains has entered what is the tt editor telling me?
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A decision has been made as to what one is going to enter. In this instance the decision is that 4N24/H21607 will run and H21608 wont.

Decisions can be found in the decisions tab in the F4.
Indeed Hap is correct here, there was a decision on 4N24. H21607 had a 2/5 chance of running, as did H21608. There was also a 1/5 chance neither ran. The effective difference between these two trains is in the metadata the former goes to North Blyth GBRF arriving at 07:40 whilst the latter goes to Tyne Coal Terminal GBRf arriving at 07:19. In case you're interested I've pulled the timetable & decision for each below.

Your 1E06 on the other hand does not have a decision.
EDIT: The following is null, as the <asrequired> tag is missing and I didn't notice: but does have a [i]run 50% of the time tag on it, so depending on how the simplifier works, I speculate that it may not have shown until the 50% dice roll was made, but then again so does like all of the trains on this timetable, so I may be completely wrong. Timetable for this 1E06 is at the bottom, percent tag in bold. [/i]

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<Timetable>
<ID>4N24</ID>
<UID>H21608</UID>
<AsRequiredPercent>50</AsRequiredPercent>
<DepartTime>11040</DepartTime>
<Description>$template</Description>
<SeedingGap>15</SeedingGap>
<EntryPoint>EDONSTOP</EntryPoint>
<EntryDecision>4N24</EntryDecision>
<EntryChoice>H21608</EntryChoice>
<MaxSpeed>75</MaxSpeed>
<SpeedClass>128</SpeedClass>
<IsFreight>-1</IsFreight>
<CanUseGoodsLines>-1</CanUseGoodsLines>
<TrainLength>407</TrainLength>
<Electrification>D</Electrification>
<OriginName>Doncaster Down Decoy GBRF</OriginName>
<DestinationName>Tyne Coal Terminal GBRf</DestinationName>
<OriginTime>10620</OriginTime>
<DestinationTime>26340</DestinationTime>
<OperatorCode>ZZ</OperatorCode>
<StartTraction>D</StartTraction>
<Category>2406</Category>
<RedSignalMoveOff>20</RedSignalMoveOff>
<StationForward>30</StationForward>
<StationReverse>180</StationReverse>
<TerminateForward>90</TerminateForward>
<TerminateReverse>180</TerminateReverse>
<Join>90</Join>
<Divide>45</Divide>
<CrewChange>60</CrewChange>
<Trips>
<Trip>
<Location>SHFTHLJ</Location>
<DepPassTime>11400</DepPassTime>
<IsPassTime>-1</IsPassTime>
<DownDirection>-1</DownDirection>
<PrevPathEndDown>-1</PrevPathEndDown>
<NextPathStartDown>-1</NextPathStartDown>
</Trip>
<Trip>
<Location>HYWDJN</Location>
<DepPassTime>11550</DepPassTime>
<IsPassTime>-1</IsPassTime>
<DownDirection>-1</DownDirection>
<PrevPathEndDown>-1</PrevPathEndDown>
<NextPathStartDown>-1</NextPathStartDown>
</Trip>
<Trip>
<Location>KNTNGSJ</Location>
<DepPassTime>12360</DepPassTime>
<IsPassTime>-1</IsPassTime>
<DownDirection>-1</DownDirection>
<PrevPathEndDown>-1</PrevPathEndDown>
</Trip>
</Trips>
</Timetable>
Quote:
<Timetable>
<ID>4N24</ID>
<UID>H21607</UID>
<AsRequiredPercent>50</AsRequiredPercent>
<DepartTime>11040</DepartTime>
<Description>$template</Description>
<SeedingGap>15</SeedingGap>
<EntryPoint>EDONSTOP</EntryPoint>
<EntryDecision>4N24</EntryDecision>
<EntryChoice>H21607</EntryChoice>
<MaxSpeed>75</MaxSpeed>
<SpeedClass>128</SpeedClass>
<IsFreight>-1</IsFreight>
<CanUseGoodsLines>-1</CanUseGoodsLines>
<TrainLength>407</TrainLength>
<Electrification>D</Electrification>
<OriginName>Doncaster Down Decoy GBRF</OriginName>
<DestinationName>North Blyth GBRF</DestinationName>
<OriginTime>10620</OriginTime>
<DestinationTime>27600</DestinationTime>
<OperatorCode>ZZ</OperatorCode>
<StartTraction>D</StartTraction>
<Category>2406</Category>
<RedSignalMoveOff>20</RedSignalMoveOff>
<StationForward>30</StationForward>
<StationReverse>180</StationReverse>
<TerminateForward>90</TerminateForward>
<TerminateReverse>180</TerminateReverse>
<Join>90</Join>
<Divide>45</Divide>
<CrewChange>60</CrewChange>
<Trips>
<Trip>
<Location>SHFTHLJ</Location>
<DepPassTime>11400</DepPassTime>
<IsPassTime>-1</IsPassTime>
<DownDirection>-1</DownDirection>
<PrevPathEndDown>-1</PrevPathEndDown>
<NextPathStartDown>-1</NextPathStartDown>
</Trip>
<Trip>
<Location>HYWDJN</Location>
<DepPassTime>11550</DepPassTime>
<IsPassTime>-1</IsPassTime>
<DownDirection>-1</DownDirection>
<PrevPathEndDown>-1</PrevPathEndDown>
<NextPathStartDown>-1</NextPathStartDown>
</Trip>
<Trip>
<Location>KNTNGSJ</Location>
<DepPassTime>12360</DepPassTime>
<IsPassTime>-1</IsPassTime>
<DownDirection>-1</DownDirection>
<PrevPathEndDown>-1</PrevPathEndDown>
</Trip>
</Trips>
</Timetable>
Quote:

<Decision ID="4N24">
<Choices>
<Choice ID="H21608">
<Weight>2</Weight>
</Choice>
<Choice ID="H21607">
<Weight>2</Weight>
</Choice>
<Choice ID="nil"/>
</Choices>
</Decision>
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<Timetable>
<ID>1E06</ID>
<UID>P95160</UID>
<AccelBrakeIndex>3</AccelBrakeIndex>
<AsRequiredPercent>50</AsRequiredPercent>
<DepartTime>4440</DepartTime>
<Description>$template</Description>
<SeedingGap>15</SeedingGap>
<EntryPoint>EDONSTOP</EntryPoint>
<MaxSpeed>100</MaxSpeed>
<SpeedClass>8</SpeedClass>
<CanUseGoodsLines>-1</CanUseGoodsLines>
<TrainLength>80</TrainLength>
<Electrification>O3</Electrification>
<OriginName>Willesden PRDC</OriginName>
<DestinationName>Low Fell Royal Mail Tmnl</DestinationName>
<OriginTime>81900</OriginTime>
<DestinationTime>10740</DestinationTime>
<OperatorCode>ZZ</OperatorCode>
<StartTraction>O3</StartTraction>
<Category>6B575817</Category>
<RedSignalMoveOff>20</RedSignalMoveOff>
<StationForward>120</StationForward>
<StationReverse>180</StationReverse>
<TerminateForward>120</TerminateForward>
<TerminateReverse>240</TerminateReverse>
<Join>120</Join>
<Divide>60</Divide>
<CrewChange>60</CrewChange>
<Trips>
<Trip>
<Location>SHFTHLJ</Location>
<DepPassTime>4710</DepPassTime>
<IsPassTime>-1</IsPassTime>
<DownDirection>-1</DownDirection>
<PrevPathEndDown>-1</PrevPathEndDown>
<NextPathStartDown>-1</NextPathStartDown>
</Trip>
<Trip>
<Location>TEMPLHJ</Location>
<DepPassTime>5040</DepPassTime>
<IsPassTime>-1</IsPassTime>
<DownDirection>-1</DownDirection>
<PrevPathEndDown>-1</PrevPathEndDown>
</Trip>
</Trips>
</Timetable>
The train now standing on platform 2, should be on the rails
Last edited: 12/12/2021 at 23:59 by rfw
Reason: Corrected by HAP
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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 12/12/2021 at 23:28 #142896
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1039 posts 		bugsy in post 142894 said:
Thank you Dionysusnu and Hap for your explanations.

Going back to my original post, I think that 1E06 was not going to enter, but I will go back to an earlier save in the morning to check whether or not that was the case or whether I just didn't remember it bring in the sim.

I'll update this post accordingly.
There's no need. 1E06 has entered. It's showing on berth 0809 (in your screenshot, that I've trimmed below) which you can't interpose manually as it's an external berth.

The 50% As Required has NOT been selected/checked in the service options as described here, this service runs.
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I can't see 1E06 in the Simplifier 13/12/2021 at 10:03 #142898
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1766 posts 		Hap in post 142896 said:
bugsy in post 142894 said:
Thank you Dionysusnu and Hap for your explanations.

Going back to my original post, I think that 1E06 was not going to enter, but I will go back to an earlier save in the morning to check whether or not that was the case or whether I just didn't remember it bring in the sim.

I'll update this post accordingly.
There's no need. 1E06 has entered. It's showing on berth 0809 (in your screenshot, that I've trimmed below) which you can't interpose manually as it's an external berth.

The 50% As Required has NOT been selected/checked in the service options as described here, this service runs.
Oh dear. My glasses and memory have both failed me :/

Sorry for wasting peoples' time over this train. I'll try very hard not to do so in future.
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