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| Hitachi licence? 21/12/2021 at 11:37 #143049 | |
MrSuttonmann
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I think I'm a little out of the loop here but I thought SimSig was home-built by Geoff under the Cajon Rail company. I've just seen the news article about a licence extension from Hitachi. What licence is that for, and if Hitachi suddenly decide otherwise on a whim does that mean SimSig's dead from that point? (Formerly known as manadude2) Last edited: 21/12/2021 at 11:38 by MrSuttonmann Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Gwasanaethau |
| Hitachi licence? 21/12/2021 at 11:52 #143050 | |
Peter Bennet
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From the General T&Cs Quote: End User Licence AgreementAlso this more comprehensive License Agreement which you signed up to when you installed SimSig. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 21/12/2021 at 11:58 by Peter Bennet Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Hitachi licence? 21/12/2021 at 12:01 #143051 | |
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Peter Bennet
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Arguably the two license agreements pages should really be a single document, or if the first is just a summary it should cross-refer to the second. Peter [Fixed] I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Last edited: 21/12/2021 at 12:19 by Peter Bennet Reason: Fixed link Log in to reply |
| Hitachi licence? 21/12/2021 at 12:08 #143052 | |
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MrSuttonmann
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That doesn't really answer my question though Peter. I've read the licence agreement of course, I've had plenty of time to do so since I first installed SimSig over a decade ago. I don't remember any mention of Hitachi ever being involved in SimSig - that's more what I'm asking - what is the link and how is SimSig proprietary to them? (Formerly known as manadude2) Last edited: 21/12/2021 at 12:09 by MrSuttonmann Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Hitachi licence? 21/12/2021 at 12:20 #143053 | |
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Peter Bennet
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manadude2 in post 143052 said:That doesn't really answer my question though Peter.I think Hitachi took over TRESim (or whatever it was called) that Geoff worked for when he was in the UK. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Hitachi licence? 21/12/2021 at 12:49 #143055 | |
postal
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From the Hitachi Information Control Systems Europe web-site: History.
“In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Hitachi licence? 21/12/2021 at 12:51 #143056 | |
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MrSuttonmann
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Peter Bennet in post 143053 said:manadude2 in post 143052 said:Ahhh, that makes sense. I remember TREsim being mentioned, didn't realise they got bought out.That doesn't really answer my question though Peter.I think Hitachi took over TRESim (or whatever it was called) that Geoff worked for when he was in the UK. Thanks! (Formerly known as manadude2) Log in to reply |
| Hitachi licence? 21/12/2021 at 15:46 #143058 | |
clive
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As I understand the history ... Geoff developed the first version of SimSig as a hobby. At some point he went to work for TRE and he sold them the rights to the software. Since they only wanted it for commercial use, they allowed him to continue to work on it as a hobby (including selling it). At some point TRE were bought out by Hitachi. TRE, now called Hitachi ICSE, own the copyright for some of the material in SimSig - not all of it - and so their permission is needed for Geoff to distribute it. There is a formal agreement to that end; this news item reports that this agreement has been renewed and updated. Geoff now trades under the Cajon Rail name. Note that SimSig can only be used for non-commercial purposes since Hitachi want the railway industry to use their products, not Geoff's. Hope that helps. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Gwasanaethau, Albert, JWNoctis, Steamer, MrSuttonmann, Soton_Speed, as1981, Mikhail, Newhampshires |
| Hitachi licence? 21/12/2021 at 22:12 #143061 | |
Gwasanaethau
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manadude2 in post 143049 said:I think I'm a little out of the loop here but I thought SimSig was home-built by Geoff under the Cajon Rail company.I saw this a couple of weeks ago, meant to ask about it, got distracted, and then forgot about it! Thanks for reminding me and doing the work for me in one go! XD Log in to reply |
| Hitachi licence? 22/12/2021 at 06:09 #143067 | |
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JWNoctis
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Well, that enterprise-style either always-online or machine-lock-and-almost-always-online DRM suddenly made a lot more sense. No real complaints either way, though! Log in to reply |
| Hitachi licence? 22/12/2021 at 08:37 #143068 | |
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clive
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JWNoctis in post 143067 said:That was put in because people wanted to switch between (say) desktop and laptop machines without having to buy the sims twice. The previous arrangement meant moving a licence to a different machine was a major hassle. It's nothing to do with Hitachi. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: JWNoctis |