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| BARKG21 28/09/2022 at 22:09 #148185 | |
9pN1SEAp
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Hi, There's a TIPLOC labelled "Barking Signal Bk 21" but looking at the 1961 signalling notice (Eastern #200) this would appear to have been an intermediate signal between the inlet and exit lines of East Ham ("Little ilford"  Depot on the Up Main, in rear of the current UR154 and without sign of any shunting point. Can anyone shed light on this?Thanks Jamie Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| BARKG21 29/09/2022 at 01:01 #148187 | |
jc92
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Its not a current TIPLOC/STANOX (unsurprising given that it doesn't exist!) but looks like it may just be a timing point for up trains for some reason, there was no equivalent for BK18 though. Unlikely thought, but did any freight or parcels run that way that might have been booked crew relief outside the depot at BK21? "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| BARKG21 29/09/2022 at 08:20 #148188 | |
kbarber
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Very strange. No reason for anything to stop there; if it's where I think it is, it's between the depot wall and the back gardens of Stevenage Road so the very worst place for any kind of activity. The depot offices were at the country end, accessed from Stevenage Road where it passes under the railway, so if there were to have been any activity it would surely be there. Certainly, by the time I was at Barking (1981 - 83), there was absolutely nothing booked to happen in that location. Thinking (very) laterally... when did the TIPLOC/STANOX codes come into use? I'd need to check my copy of Swift for the pre-1961 arrangements, but I wonder if there was an access to sidings or somesuch around that location before the Car Sheds were built and - for reasons beyond my comprehension - the location was just kept even after all reason for its existence had disappeared? Log in to reply |
| BARKG21 29/09/2022 at 08:55 #148189 | |
DaveHarries
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jc92 in post 148187 said:Its not a current TIPLOC/STANOX (unsurprising given that it doesn't exist!) There is currently a similar situation at Clifton Down, Bristol. One evening train terminates at Clifton Down and then works ECS across to the platform by reversing at a location given in the RealTimeTrains schedule as "Clifton Down Signal B356" for which the TIPLOC is "BRSS356". However the area is now under the control of TVSC Didcot and the signal in question is now numbered BL1847 which number it gained with the implementation of Stage 4 of the BASRE (Bristol Area Signalling Renewals and Enhancement) scheme back in April 2018: I am a bit surprised that it hasn't been corrected, at least on RTT. What is a STANOX code by the way? Never heard of them. Dave Last edited: 29/09/2022 at 08:56 by DaveHarries Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| BARKG21 29/09/2022 at 21:27 #148201 | |
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jc92
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STANOX (station number) is a 5 digit number and associated name (which is the TIPLOC) for a given location which is used by TOPS and TRUST for various functions. Every location has one. While not strictly true, in essence the term STANOX and TIPLOC are interchangeable. Theyre arranged in ascending numerical order working from the top of the country, heading south. For example off the top of my head, 07360 is mossend yard, 09150 is Carlisle yard, 25200 is Tinsley, 56580 is Toton TMD, 83400 is Exeter Riverside, and 89735 is Dollands Moor. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 9pN1SEAp |
| BARKG21 30/09/2022 at 10:04 #148205 | |
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clive
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jc92 in post 148201 said:I thought the STANME was the associated name. There are TIPLOCs without STANOXes, such as PBRO797 or PBROSTE. And STANOXes without TIPLOCs, like 45096. But I agree there's a high correlation. jc92 in post 148201 said: Except those beginning 00, which are in foreign parts, such as 00748 / CLVMEZR / CHV which is Charleville-Mezieres and 00909 / ROSNDAL / RDL which is Roosendaal CS. Last edited: 30/09/2022 at 10:05 by clive Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 9pN1SEAp |
| BARKG21 30/09/2022 at 11:50 #148206 | |
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jc92
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You're correct, which is why I said "while not strictly true". I simplified my response to avoid opening a further can of worms. The Stanme is very similar, but normally slightly longer and clearer than a tiploc. As far as I'm aware they're somewhat rarely used as trust shows the TIPLOC, and the Stanme isn't really used for TOPS work as the numbers are far clearer and a location query gives the full location name anyway. Indeed 00 series is continental Europe, but again, that's its own can of worms, because the movement and reporting of wagons has its own process to and from the continen that differs from the regular process. Frethun 00720 is the current key location for chunnel services. I'm not sure if wagons ever end up reported further afield or not nowadays. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 30/09/2022 at 11:52 by jc92 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| BARKG21 30/09/2022 at 13:15 #148209 | |
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Phil-jmw
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And let's not forget that the Sealink train ferries that operated between Dover and France were classed as loco's for TOPS purposes (Class 88 IIRC) and input as the power consist for journeys to and from the continent, with the wagons they conveyed input as the train consist. Edit - Correction to earlier comment, I'm reliably informed ships were TOPS Class 99 (and steam loco's are Class 98). Last edited: 30/09/2022 at 18:30 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: jc92 |
| BARKG21 30/09/2022 at 16:57 #148210 | |
GeoffM
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DaveHarries in post 148189 said:"Clifton Down Signal B356" for which the TIPLOC is "BRSS356". However the area is now under the control of TVSC Didcot and the signal in question is now numbered BL1847 which number it gained with the implementation of Stage 4 of the BASRE (Bristol Area Signalling Renewals and Enhancement) scheme back in April 2018: I am a bit surprised that it hasn't been corrected, at least on RTT.Keeping an old TIPLOC which is a signal number is actually very common. OTT also lists the full name the same as RTT so I suspect they're simply using the NR Open Data listings. Sometimes NR update the location name, sometimes they don't. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| BARKG21 01/10/2022 at 21:18 #148223 | |
madaboutrains
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This one has to be my favourite xD Post has attachments. Log in to view them. RIP Feltham Panel 1 Log in to reply |