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Woking FAQ 13/12/2022 at 18:05 #149271
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Woking Frequently Asked Questions

Do you think you've found a bug? Or do you have a problem running the simulation, check through this thread first.

Remember timetables are dealt with in the relevant timetable thread.

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Woking FAQ 13/12/2022 at 18:44 #149274
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One thing I spotted in real life is WK331 if no route is set upto this signal the signal would still show a red aspect it will then show the correct aspect once a route is set from WK329

Attached a screenshot if it helps


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Woking FAQ 13/12/2022 at 19:00 #149276
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Sometimes unusual conditions like that are hard to spot on a control table :/

Mantis 37244

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[Edit] Please note that Wimbledon and Feltham updates are being tested and will be available soon, but until then won't chain to Woking. User manual

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Woking FAQ 13/12/2022 at 19:09 #149277
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Thanks Geoff
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Woking FAQ 13/12/2022 at 19:26 #149278
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GeoffM in post 149276 said:
Sometimes unusual conditions like that are hard to spot on a control table :/

Mantis 37244

Thanks.

[Edit] Please note that Wimbledon and Feltham updates are being tested and will be available soon, but until then won't chain to Woking. User manual
Can't wait for the updates to both Feltham and Wimbledon!!


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Woking FAQ 13/12/2022 at 20:07 #149279
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Some other things I have spotted:

- Weybridge: Auto Working doesn't seem to set from WK901 into the bay when all the ARS subareas are isolated. (ATTACHED SAVE)
- Farnham: WK443 to WK1383 shouldn't be a signalled move on its own. It requires WK1383 set into the CSD first then the system will allow you to set WK443 to WK1383.
- Aldershot WK428 Warner overlap seems to default to full overlap for some reason

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Woking FAQ 13/12/2022 at 20:37 #149281
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Auto working Mantis 37270 - looks like I was missing the final condition in the control table. Had 2S41 been over or before Addlestone Junction with 2S48 clear, it would have set.

Farnham - Mantis 37271 - looks like a misread of aspect level instead of route level.

Aldershot - warner route steps up automatically based on conditions, according to control tables.

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Woking FAQ 13/12/2022 at 21:31 #149282
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WK439-WK441, WK432-WK430 between Aldershot & Farnham has a 30mph curve in between the signals but I've observed trains doing 60mph through that section.
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Woking FAQ 13/12/2022 at 22:26 #149289
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Champs450007 in post 149282 said:
WK439-WK441, WK432-WK430 between Aldershot & Farnham has a 30mph curve in between the signals but I've observed trains doing 60mph through that section.
Oops, Mantis 37277. It's on my scheme plans right at the boundary between two drawings. Thanks.

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Woking FAQ 14/12/2022 at 10:31 #149299
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What is ARS subgroup 'FOXHT' at Fox Hills Tunnel for? Appears to just be an auto section
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Woking FAQ 14/12/2022 at 18:32 #149320
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I suspect it was made redundant with Mantis 36841 and wasn't removed. Mantis 37285 to ask the question
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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 11:48 #149333
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Not sure if loader or sim issue. Happened when I re-enabled ARS for 5L42



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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 11:56 #149334
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Looks to be a further occurrence of Mantis 35658
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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 14:00 #149339
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Does the sim have BLOK codes? Can't see anything about it in the manual, nor can I get it to work!
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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 17:23 #149342
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GW43125 in post 149339 said:
Does the sim have BLOK codes? Can't see anything about it in the manual, nor can I get it to work!

I don't believe so as a friend tried to enter it on the first signal at Berrylands to no avail.


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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 17:59 #149344
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GW43125 in post 149339 said:
Does the sim have BLOK codes? Can't see anything about it in the manual, nor can I get it to work!
No, but I'll add them. Mantis 37300.

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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 19:43 #149348
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Not sure whether this a bug or expected behaviour...

is WK156 approach locked?

when i was playing earlier i was routing round multiple track circuit failures and encountered an issue when trying to cross back to the UMS

WK 156 has a red aspect failure (UMS between Byfleet & New Haw and Weybridge)
setting a route from WK158-WK156-WK154-WK152 (and with the line clear beyond WK152) results in a proceed aspect on WK 156
however setting a route from WK360(UMF)-WK156-WK154-WK152 does not give a proceed aspect on WK156 (and as a consequence WK360) (once a train is autharised past WK360, and approaches WK 156 it steps upto clear)

further expermintation shows that in all modes of operation, WK156 will only clear when
A) Track circuit TARF is occupied
B) a route is set between WK158-WK156-WK154

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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 19:59 #149349
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Small query about stopping position @ THD. In the supplied timetable, 2J80's rear overhangs the up platform (T/C TAJF). 2J80 is 10 cars. The platform has recently been extended (205m) to accommodate 10 cars. Is this prototypically correct? - I have been on a train sat at WK522 with another in THD Up platform.

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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 20:56 #149354
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GeoffM in post 149344 said:
GW43125 in post 149339 said:
Does the sim have BLOK codes? Can't see anything about it in the manual, nor can I get it to work!
No, but I'll add them. Mantis 37300.
Thanks Geoff.

Also, routing 1A23 via the "long" route from WK443 to WK449 generated the "train did not have permission for Farnham depot" warning. Is this intentional?

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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 22:16 #149359
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02ian in post 149348 said:
is WK156 approach locked?

when i was playing earlier i was routing round multiple track circuit failures and encountered an issue when trying to cross back to the UMS

WK 156 has a red aspect failure (UMS between Byfleet & New Haw and Weybridge)
setting a route from WK158-WK156-WK154-WK152 (and with the line clear beyond WK152) results in a proceed aspect on WK 156
however setting a route from WK360(UMF)-WK156-WK154-WK152 does not give a proceed aspect on WK156 (and as a consequence WK360) (once a train is autharised past WK360, and approaches WK 156 it steps upto clear)
WK156 does indeed have approach conditions on it, sort of conditional approach control (not approach locking, thought it has that too). I don't know the reason for the approach control from the Fast only, but is often related to sighting and misreading (or reading across). That WK360 is held at red with WK156's red aspect failed is correct in this situation.

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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 22:21 #149360
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Soton_Speed in post 149349 said:
Small query about stopping position @ THD. In the supplied timetable, 2J80's rear overhangs the up platform (T/C TAJF). 2J80 is 10 cars. The platform has recently been extended (205m) to accommodate 10 cars. Is this prototypically correct? - I have been on a train sat at WK522 with another in THD Up platform.
Mantis 37312.

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Woking FAQ 15/12/2022 at 22:25 #149361
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GW43125 in post 149354 said:
Also, routing 1A23 via the "long" route from WK443 to WK449 generated the "train did not have permission for Farnham depot" warning. Is this intentional?
Oops, applied to the wrong route. Mantis 37313.

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Woking FAQ 16/12/2022 at 09:50 #149369
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I believe because of not having the route set at WK158 you won't get the flashing yellows and the bridge on the up slow after WK156 obscures the station it's held more restrictive incase of a wrong routing. If you go onto the fast here you can't stop at any station until Surbiton.

GeoffM in post 149359 said:
02ian in post 149348 said:
is WK156 approach locked?

when i was playing earlier i was routing round multiple track circuit failures and encountered an issue when trying to cross back to the UMS

WK 156 has a red aspect failure (UMS between Byfleet & New Haw and Weybridge)
setting a route from WK158-WK156-WK154-WK152 (and with the line clear beyond WK152) results in a proceed aspect on WK 156
however setting a route from WK360(UMF)-WK156-WK154-WK152 does not give a proceed aspect on WK156 (and as a consequence WK360) (once a train is autharised past WK360, and approaches WK 156 it steps upto clear)
WK156 does indeed have approach conditions on it, sort of conditional approach control (not approach locking, thought it has that too). I don't know the reason for the approach control from the Fast only, but is often related to sighting and misreading (or reading across). That WK360 is held at red with WK156's red aspect failed is correct in this situation.

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Woking FAQ 16/12/2022 at 15:26 #149373
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In the attached save:
- (Aldershot) If TDZU is unoccupied using F11, WK428 will go Y->R->Y after the overlap steps up while waiting for P2315 points to move, additionally I don't believe this overlap should step up automatically.
- (Pirbright Jn) If WK193 to WK951 route is set exactly 10 seconds after TBBL becomes occupied, WK193 begins cycling between red & yellow while WK191 flashes yellow.
- (Woking Jn) WK609 should not be approach controlled from red with the routes set from WK607 and towards WK379.

Additionally:
- (Woking) What is the point of the warner arrow at WK504 if there is no warner route from WK506?
- (Woking) At WK170 trains booked to call at West Byfleet will not call wrong route if routed towards the up fast.
- (Woking) There should be warner routes from WK167 & WK369 to WK169 but there's no warner exit arrow (ROL overlap marker is present).
- (Woking) Is it correct for the warner overlap of WK608 to lock points P2225 normal while the full overlap does not?
- (Brookwood) At WK387 trains booked towards Ash Vale wont call wrong route if sent towards Farnborough unless booked to stop at Brookwood.
- (Holybourne Sdgs) The cursor position for WK452 is incorrect, it's currently in the stem of the stop board.

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Woking FAQ 16/12/2022 at 16:38 #149374
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Auto facility does not work on WK428 Sig, Up Alton on approach to Aldershot Station.
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