Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX

Thirty year rule Vince... I bet that book would be well worth reading!

Can someone explain the logic behind 9T09 S & T Siding to Sinfin North Loop as it seems to be timetabled to play the railway version of musical chairs and the working makes no sense to me at all.

It looks like it has to be routed into the loop which I've done, than the loco & brake van form 0T09 which appears to be timetabled to go into the siding opposite the loop.

Now 0T09 says stopped at signal 374X and I don't know if I'm doing something wrong.

Also 0T09 is at location Sinfin Sidings but there's no next activity for it, what's going on here?

ajax103 in post 151493 said:

Can someone explain the logic behind 9T09 S & T Siding to Sinfin North Loop as it seems to be timetabled to play the railway version of musical chairs and the working makes no sense to me at all.

It looks like it has to be routed into the loop which I've done, than the loco & brake van form 0T09 which appears to be timetabled to go into the siding opposite the loop.

Now 0T09 says stopped at signal 374X and I don't know if I'm doing something wrong.

Also 0T09 is at location Sinfin Sidings but there's no next activity for it, what's going on here?

The train arrives into the loop, the loco drops off and goes into sinfin sdgs to collect the discharged tanks which it then reattached to its train, after which it runs round to return to St marys.

No next activity should be required at sinfin sdgs, the train should drop off the sim.

Yes you'll need to operate the number 3 ground frame to allow the train into Sinfin Sidings.

Have you given the ground frame release? Then you need to operate the no 3 ground frame to give signal 4 for the train to proceed into the sidings.

Perhaps you could attach a save game.

Can someone explain the logic behind 9T09 S & T Siding to Sinfin North Loop as it seems to be timetabled to play the railway version of musical chairs and the working makes no sense to me at all.

It looks like it has to be routed into the loop which I've done, than the loco & brake van form 0T09 which appears to be timetabled to go into the siding opposite the loop.

Now 0T09 says stopped at signal 374X and I don't know if I'm doing something wrong.

Also 0T09 is at location Sinfin Sidings but there's no next activity for it, what's going on here?

Also I've just had 2P84 / 2P8411737 enter and the timings are nearly exactly the same as 2F84 / 2F841737 as they've both departed Crewe at the exact same time and both arrive at Derby at the exact same time where they than join each other to form 5P84 / 5P841853, I'm trying to understand the BR logic behind it, surely it would have been easier to just run as a 4 car from Crewe to Derby than ECS to Etches Park?

Note that 2P84 says in notes that it's P3A vice P2A but it has a activity to join 2F84 which is timetabled to use P2A, might need looking at?

ajax103 in post 151493 said:

Can someone explain the logic behind 9T09 S & T Siding to Sinfin North Loop as it seems to be timetabled to play the railway version of musical chairs and the working makes no sense to me at all.

It looks like it has to be routed into the loop which I've done, than the loco & brake van form 0T09 which appears to be timetabled to go into the siding opposite the loop.

Now 0T09 says stopped at signal 374X and I don't know if I'm doing something wrong.

Also 0T09 is at location Sinfin Sidings but there's no next activity for it, what's going on here?

If you'd read the TT njotes for the 1987 TT all the pilot trip numbers are explained. T.09 is the Derby Local Area pilot & by its name it does exactly that & serves all loctions in & around Derby station. The trip notice says it serves Atlas Sdg.[aka S&T Sdg.], Etches Park CS, Rolls Royce at Sinfin, Thomas Hill, Slum Sdgs., Chaddesden & Bottom Yard[at the rear of Derby Loco Works], but noit necessarily in that order. The way it's TT to me was theaasirest way of getting round the various locations it serves. It may look like musical chairs to you, but this is what that pilot is shown to do in the trip notice so there you have it.

kbarber in post 151481 said:

Thirty year rule Vince... I bet that book would be well worth reading!

That means I'll need to leave two spaces on the bookshelf for must-read additions to the library.

9Z060800THO has asked me for permission to enter before 0Z060745THO has gone into the RTC. Is it missing a rule?

Just wondering but 6E96 / 6E961956FSX has Sunnyhill has a regular stop but there's no timings nor does it appear as a stop for regulating purposes, is this right?

Also same train has no timings for Melbourne Jcn too.

Hi all,

I am the last to nit-pick on a excellent timetable but at the time (1987) Class 150/0 and Class 150/1 were incompatible and thus could not couple to one another. Class 150/0 and Class 151 were compatible however. Also - although this is almost impossible to simulate, Class 150/0 and Class 151 were only worked by Derby crews so to find a 150/0 on 2E41 would be highly unlikely.

It was only after the prototypes were transferred to Tyseley and they went though a main works refresh that they were made compatible with the 150/1 fleet which was sometime in the late 80s early 90s.

I was one of the very harassed DMU controllers (see my avatar which was a photo taken before the stand alone DMU computer control was introduced) at Derby at the time who had to contend with the very problematic introduction of the 150/0 and 150/1 fleet. I could write a book about the problems we had but I think it better to keep that to myself.

Vince

Also I've just had 2P84 / 2P8411737 enter and the timings are nearly exactly the same as 2F84 / 2F841737 as they've both departed Crewe at the exact same time and both arrive at Derby at the exact same time where they than join each other to form 5P84 / 5P841853, I'm trying to understand the BR logic behind it, surely it would have been easier to just run as a 4 car from Crewe to Derby than ECS to Etches Park?

Note that 2P84 says in notes that it's P3A vice P2A but it has a activity to join 2F84 which is timetabled to use P2A, might need looking at?