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Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 25/04/2023 at 22:09 #151477 | |
VInce
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Hi all, I am the last to nit-pick on a excellent timetable but at the time (1987) Class 150/0 and Class 150/1 were incompatible and thus could not couple to one another. Class 150/0 and Class 151 were compatible however. Also - although this is almost impossible to simulate, Class 150/0 and Class 151 were only worked by Derby crews so to find a 150/0 on 2E41 would be highly unlikely. It was only after the prototypes were transferred to Tyseley and they went though a main works refresh that they were made compatible with the 150/1 fleet which was sometime in the late 80s early 90s. I was one of the very harassed DMU controllers (see my avatar which was a photo taken before the stand alone DMU computer control was introduced) at Derby at the time who had to contend with the very problematic introduction of the 150/0 and 150/1 fleet. I could write a book about the problems we had but I think it better to keep that to myself. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 25/04/2023 at 22:22 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: 58050, flabberdacks |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 07:58 #151481 | |
kbarber
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Thirty year rule Vince... I bet that book would be well worth reading!
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Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 11:04 #151485 | |
postal
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kbarber in post 151481 said:Thirty year rule Vince... I bet that book would be well worth reading!That means I'll need to leave two spaces on the bookshelf for must-read additions to the library. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 14:44 #151493 | |
ajax103
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Can someone explain the logic behind 9T09 S & T Siding to Sinfin North Loop as it seems to be timetabled to play the railway version of musical chairs and the working makes no sense to me at all. It looks like it has to be routed into the loop which I've done, than the loco & brake van form 0T09 which appears to be timetabled to go into the siding opposite the loop. Now 0T09 says stopped at signal 374X and I don't know if I'm doing something wrong. Also 0T09 is at location Sinfin Sidings but there's no next activity for it, what's going on here? Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 15:19 #151495 | |
ajax103
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Also I've just had 2P84 / 2P8411737 enter and the timings are nearly exactly the same as 2F84 / 2F841737 as they've both departed Crewe at the exact same time and both arrive at Derby at the exact same time where they than join each other to form 5P84 / 5P841853, I'm trying to understand the BR logic behind it, surely it would have been easier to just run as a 4 car from Crewe to Derby than ECS to Etches Park? Note that 2P84 says in notes that it's P3A vice P2A but it has a activity to join 2F84 which is timetabled to use P2A, might need looking at? Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 15:33 #151498 | |
jc92
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ajax103 in post 151493 said:Can someone explain the logic behind 9T09 S & T Siding to Sinfin North Loop as it seems to be timetabled to play the railway version of musical chairs and the working makes no sense to me at all.The train arrives into the loop, the loco drops off and goes into sinfin sdgs to collect the discharged tanks which it then reattached to its train, after which it runs round to return to St marys. No next activity should be required at sinfin sdgs, the train should drop off the sim. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ajax103 |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 15:36 #151499 | |
ajax103
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jc92 in post 151498 said:ajax103 in post 151493 said:So when the train says stopped at signal 374X, am I meant to do anything?Can someone explain the logic behind 9T09 S & T Siding to Sinfin North Loop as it seems to be timetabled to play the railway version of musical chairs and the working makes no sense to me at all.The train arrives into the loop, the loco drops off and goes into sinfin sdgs to collect the discharged tanks which it then reattached to its train, after which it runs round to return to St marys. Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 16:01 #151506 | |
headshot119
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Yes you'll need to operate the number 3 ground frame to allow the train into Sinfin Sidings.
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Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 16:19 #151510 | |
ajax103
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headshot119 in post 151506 said:Yes you'll need to operate the number 3 ground frame to allow the train into Sinfin Sidings.Still unable to do it, it's the only move in the sim that I find to be the most awkward to do. Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 16:22 #151511 | |
headshot119
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Have you given the ground frame release? Then you need to operate the no 3 ground frame to give signal 4 for the train to proceed into the sidings. Perhaps you could attach a save game. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 16:24 #151512 | |
ajax103
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headshot119 in post 151511 said:Have you given the ground frame release? Then you need to operate the no 3 ground frame to give signal 4 for the train to proceed into the sidings.Finally it's moving, I wish there was a step by step guide to this set of GF's as they in my view are the most complicated set period and I'm usually okay with GF's. I give up with this move, it's a difficult move to do so short of using the finger poke of doom to remove the trains, I've attached a save which someone else who's more familiar with the layout can figure out. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 26/04/2023 at 16:58 by ajax103 Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 16:51 #151515 | |
58050
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ajax103 in post 151493 said:Can someone explain the logic behind 9T09 S & T Siding to Sinfin North Loop as it seems to be timetabled to play the railway version of musical chairs and the working makes no sense to me at all.If you'd read the TT notes for the 1987 TT all the pilot trip numbers are explained. T.09 is the Derby Local Area pilot & by its name it does exactly that & serves all loctions in & around Derby station. The trip notice says it serves Atlas Sdg.[aka S&T Sdg.], Etches Park CS, Rolls Royce at Sinfin, Thomas Hill, Slum Sdgs., Chaddesden & Bottom Yard[at the rear of Derby Loco Works], but noit necessarily in that order. The way it's TT to me was theaasirest way of getting round the various locations it serves. It may look like musical chairs to you, but this is what that pilot is shown to do in the trip notice so there you have it. Last edited: 26/04/2023 at 18:14 by 58050 Reason: corrected typo Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 16:58 #151516 | |
58050
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ajax103 in post 151495 said:Also I've just had 2P84 / 2P8411737 enter and the timings are nearly exactly the same as 2F84 / 2F841737 as they've both departed Crewe at the exact same time and both arrive at Derby at the exact same time where they than join each other to form 5P84 / 5P841853, I'm trying to understand the BR logic behind it, surely it would have been easier to just run as a 4 car from Crewe to Derby than ECS to Etches Park?I've looked at the Derby station working book & the Etches Park Depot working book & from what they both mention only 1 unit goes to Etches Park CS. So need to dig out the WTT to double check a train hasn't been duplicated in error. Whatever the outcome will be fixed in the next TT update. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ajax103 |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 17:01 #151517 | |
ajax103
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58050 in post 151515 said:ajax103 in post 151493 said:Usually I'm fine with how to set routes into and out of sidings with GF's but trying to understand how Sinfin works is like learning Ancient Greek, so difficult for me to get my head aroundCan someone explain the logic behind 9T09 S & T Siding to Sinfin North Loop as it seems to be timetabled to play the railway version of musical chairs and the working makes no sense to me at all.If you'd read the TT njotes for the 1987 TT all the pilot trip numbers are explained. T.09 is the Derby Local Area pilot & by its name it does exactly that & serves all loctions in & around Derby station. The trip notice says it serves Atlas Sdg.[aka S&T Sdg.], Etches Park CS, Rolls Royce at Sinfin, Thomas Hill, Slum Sdgs., Chaddesden & Bottom Yard[at the rear of Derby Loco Works], but noit necessarily in that order. The way it's TT to me was theaasirest way of getting round the various locations it serves. It may look like musical chairs to you, but this is what that pilot is shown to do in the trip notice so there you have it. ![]() Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 26/04/2023 at 17:03 #151518 | |
AndyG
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postal in post 151485 said:kbarber in post 151481 said:Need a third space for Pascal's compilation?Thirty year rule Vince... I bet that book would be well worth reading!That means I'll need to leave two spaces on the bookshelf for must-read additions to the library. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: kbarber, postal, bossman, flabberdacks |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 27/04/2023 at 15:49 #151543 | |
VInce
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Which is why, way back when, we used to always send a Movements Inspector with the loco-hauled train up to Sinfin as insurance. Nearly every time we didn't, the poor old guard used to get the frame around their necks and lock up the branch for hours at a time! Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply The following user said thank you: flabberdacks |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 27/04/2023 at 16:09 #151545 | |
flabberdacks
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I admit to giving that train the road back onto the main line before realising I hadn't yet run the loco back onto the front of the train. Beautiful little shuffle in a tight spot, I really like it.
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Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 29/04/2023 at 13:04 #151597 | |
Dionysusnu
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9Z060800THO has asked me for permission to enter before 0Z060745THO has gone into the RTC. Is it missing a rule?
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Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 29/04/2023 at 15:32 #151602 | |
58050
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Dionysusnu in post 151597 said:9Z060800THO has asked me for permission to enter before 0Z060745THO has gone into the RTC. Is it missing a rule?Will take a look & if it is missing will add it in & be fixed for the next TT update. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Dionysusnu |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 29/04/2023 at 22:29 #151634 | |
KCRCRailway
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I'm on Monday TT and apparantly (thanks to Dionysusnu and JC92 for checking and explaining it), the 0T88 sitting in Station Yard was waiting for the 5Z00 which never run. 5Z00 never run as the previous 9Z00 never run, which was because the 0Z00 for 9Z00 never entered as it marked as [Run as required 50%]. Seems the 0T88 need a rule to prevent it from entering if the 0/9/5Z00 didn't enter the sim?
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Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 04/05/2023 at 10:58 #151669 | |
ajax103
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Just wondering but 6E96 / 6E961956FSX has Sunnyhill has a regular stop but there's no timings nor does it appear as a stop for regulating purposes, is this right? Also same train has no timings for Melbourne Jcn too. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 58050 |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 04/05/2023 at 13:08 #151670 | |
58050
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ajax103 in post 151669 said:Just wondering but 6E96 / 6E961956FSX has Sunnyhill has a regular stop but there's no timings nor does it appear as a stop for regulating purposes, is this right?Both those 2 locations have been removed from $6E961956FSX TT data. You can delete them both from your existing copy of the TT or wait for the TT update to come out. Choice is yours. Last edited: 04/05/2023 at 20:51 by 58050 Reason: corrected typo Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ajax103 |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 04/05/2023 at 19:30 #151672 | |
AndyG
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VInce in post 151477 said:Hi all,Pascal and myself have had a bit of a delve, turns out it's a train type 'typo'; 2E41 to Derby should be a 2 car 150/1 Sprinter vice 150/0 3 car prototype joining with 2P86 (2 car 150/1) to form a 150/1 2x2car onward to Lincoln. {analyser wouldn't see the length mismatch as was done with a new category rather than a next working) Thanks for the input, good spot! I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 04/05/2023 at 19:36 #151673 | |
AndyG
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ajax103 in post 151495 said:Also I've just had 2P84 / 2P8411737 enter and the timings are nearly exactly the same as 2F84 / 2F841737 as they've both departed Crewe at the exact same time and both arrive at Derby at the exact same time where they than join each other to form 5P84 / 5P841853, I'm trying to understand the BR logic behind it, surely it would have been easier to just run as a 4 car from Crewe to Derby than ECS to Etches Park?2F84 appears to be a phantom/ghost train, maybe even a poor print in the original documentation (P/F?), corrected for next release coming out soon to a cinema near you! I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 04/05/2023 at 19:37 by AndyG Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: ajax103 |
Derby 1987-05-11 - 1987-10-04 SX 04/05/2023 at 21:11 #151676 | |
ajax103
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Maybe it's me not understanding the timetable but with 6M23 / 6M232121MWFO+ which has the last location of being Melbourne Junction, is it actually meant to left on the Down Main or routed into the Sunnyhill Up Goods? I ask this as it entered on time but as I was under the impression I was meant to route it onto the Down Main and leave it there, I now have 1P26 / 1P262313+ which arrives 20 minutes after the Class 6 but for obvious reasons now can't get to Derby. Was I meant to use the loop there or not? Log in to reply |