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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 03/06/2023 at 16:47 #152052 | |
HST125Scorton
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I'm unsure if the control tables were updated after 2016. But Signal CE431 now shows a green aspect when routed onto the Goods Lines towards Carlisle Yard. Signal CE431 displays this incorrect on the sim in 2016 era by showing YY. If the route is set from CE431, CE449 and CE465, CE431 should show a G aspect with CE449 as Y and CE465 as R. If into Kingmoor Depot then CE431 will remain as Y aspect. Also I'm believe CE465 should show either a signal Y to DG2 or position lights as per now. Link to a recent video: http://youtu.be/ufPvb_jKZmE?t=394 As you can see it shows a Green!. Aaron (AJRO) | Timetable Writer Last edited: 03/06/2023 at 17:18 by HST125Scorton Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 03/06/2023 at 18:01 #152056 | |
headshot119
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Carlisle has been out for a substantial amount of time and is a donationware simulation, while I won't go as far as to say it's unsupported, it's unlikely any action will be taken in relation to this without further and additional information as to when the change took place.
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 04/06/2023 at 10:49 #152066 | |
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HST125Scorton
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Carlisle is one of the sims I started out on way back in 2012 as its own standalone installer. With help to the developer which brought Carlisle into Loader form that was grand to see. I appreciate it is donationware but I would love to Carlisle either rebuilt or updated to the likes of Bristol Simulation that's in development. If I had the data and information myself I would of passed it on but I only get bits of information that's not even enough to help. I hope Carlisle doesn't fall into the 'Unsupported' Category it would be a shame.
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 04/06/2023 at 15:44 #152069 | |
jc92
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given the amount of work karl put it to fix a number of outstanding issues, I would hardly call it unsupported, but it already has three era's available and is unlikely to receive new ones, much like west Hampstead is still supported, but we won't be seeing longer platforms and extra loops.
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 04/06/2023 at 16:22 #152070 | |
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HST125Scorton
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I do know indeed that a lot of work had taken place to fix the issues and I always appreciate the fact that time had been taken to do it. I 'wasn't' suggesting it was unsupported just giving my hope that it doesn't fall into it. The 3 eras are represented brilliantly. There is only a few little niggles that need to be solved to keep it going. Under Mantis/Carlisle it looks like Version 4.3.1 is been prepared? Tested? With only 5 tickets left to be looked at. As I said 'If I had the data and information myself I would of passed it on but I only get bits of information that's not even enough to help'.
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 04/06/2023 at 18:03 #152072 | |
xa1401
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I'm with you there Carlisle is one of the best
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 10/06/2023 at 18:09 #152118 | |
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xa1401
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I'm Having a bit of trouble with the crew change times can you alter them manually
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 10/06/2023 at 22:56 #152119 | |
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xa1401 in post 152118 said:I'm Having a bit of trouble with the crew change times can you alter them manuallyCould you explain exactly what you mean, please? The time when a relief crew will be available is advised before the train reaches the crew change location. If you have got into trouble because you signalled something to the crew change location before the relief crew were advised as available then that is the sort of misadventure that the signaller would need to handle on the day (and then handle the subsequent interview). If there is something wrong with the crew change setting in the TT then the individual case needs to be reported so that the TT writer(s) can address the issue. If you have got yourself into an operational tangle due to mis-regulation and don't want to face the consequences of your actions you can play God if you go to the F2 screen (Train List), right click on the relevant train then Timetable Options > Delay/abandon crew change. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 10/06/2023 at 22:58 by postal Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 11/06/2023 at 06:09 #152120 | |
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xa1401
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Thanks for the reply the reason i asked some crews are turning up at the trains booked departure time after they have arrived on time
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 11/06/2023 at 08:32 #152121 | |
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postal
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xa1401 in post 152120 said:Thanks for the reply the reason i asked some crews are turning up at the trains booked departure time after they have arrived on timeJust like the real world then. Lots of possible reasons (hanging the job out to get some overtime, unexpected toilet break, finishing the last hand of cards because there was money at stake etc. etc.). Edit posted after Joe Chandler's reply: I expect Keith Barber will be along soon with the next chapter of his long-awaited book giving more examples. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 11/06/2023 at 09:41 by postal Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: xa1401 |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 11/06/2023 at 08:45 #152122 | |
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jc92
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postal in post 152121 said:xa1401 in post 152120 said:A recent comical one was a driver booked on his diagram to relieve a train about 30 minutes after it was due to depart Nottingham. He realised there was a problem when he waved to the train he was meant to be relieving as it was passing Beeston, while he was waiting for the Pax behind it to get him to Nottingham.Thanks for the reply the reason i asked some crews are turning up at the trains booked departure time after they have arrived on timeJust like the real world then. Lots of possible reasons (hanging the job out to get some overtime, unexpected toilet break, finishing the last hand of cards because there was money at stake etc. etc.). "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: xa1401 |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 11/06/2023 at 11:09 #152123 | |
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jc92 in post 152122 said:So this meant that his train had to wait for his arrival did it? Not too long though as I see that Beeston isn't too far away. Did someone get a ticking off for this error? Everything that you make will be useful - providing it's made of chocolate. Log in to reply |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 11/06/2023 at 11:36 #152124 | |
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HST125Scorton
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xa1401 could you provide us with details on which timetables are causing issues with Crew Changes and flag them up on the relevant forum here: http://www.SimSig.co.uk/Forum/BoardView/103 I can only help with timetables that I've created for Carlisle which is the majority. Aaron (AJRO) | Timetable Writer Log in to reply |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 11/06/2023 at 12:34 #152125 | |
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xa1401
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I should have know better i have seen or heard of neally all those I used to work with guy who worked as a Guard at flinders St station who wouldn't come out of their crib room till they'd finish there game of cards
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 11/06/2023 at 15:36 #152126 | |
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AndyG
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postal in post 152119 said:xa1401 in post 152118 said:Also note that Crew Changes are subject to delay just as trains are if Train Delay Probability isn't set to zero.I'm Having a bit of trouble with the crew change times can you alter them manuallyCould you explain exactly what you mean, please? I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: postal |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 11/06/2023 at 18:27 #152129 | |
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xa1401
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Thank's Postal Jc 92 and HST125 Scorton i create from the original timetables other timetables that are complex I Don't think you HST 125 can help me because i've diverted a few goods trains via the goods lines it's very busy at Carlisle earlier in the morning and Postal i'm not playing the hand of god i try to run the trains on time as casey jones said allways arrive on the advertised
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 11/06/2023 at 19:01 #152132 | |
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AndyG
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xa1401 in post 152129 said:Thank's Postal Jc 92 and HST125 Scorton i create from the original timetables other timetables that are complex I Don't think you HST 125 can help me because i've diverted a few goods trains via the goods lines it's very busy at Carlisle earlier in the morning and Postal i'm not playing the hand of god i try to run the trains on time as casey jones said allways arrive on the advertisedIf you're re-platforming crew changes then that may cause delays if you don't advise the Carlisle Station Supervisor in time; the recent refresh by Karl has enabled this new feature. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Last edited: 11/06/2023 at 19:03 by AndyG Reason: typo/format Log in to reply The following user said thank you: xa1401 |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 12/06/2023 at 08:38 #152137 | |
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kbarber
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postal in post 152121 said:xa1401 in post 152120 said:I think you ad Joe have just about got most of what used to happen. Possible exception would be 'stepping up' an incoming crew if the booked crew were unavailable for some reason - most often, the stepped up crew wouldn't be there in time for the new working and they'd probably be booked PNB before their back working anyway.Thanks for the reply the reason i asked some crews are turning up at the trains booked departure time after they have arrived on timeJust like the real world then. Lots of possible reasons (hanging the job out to get some overtime, unexpected toilet break, finishing the last hand of cards because there was money at stake etc. etc.). Of course Simsig doesn't do illegal changeovers. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: postal, flabberdacks, xa1401 |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 12/06/2023 at 16:15 #152138 | |
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My personal favourite is train 1 sat in the platform having terminated, waiting for a driver to take it back in the opposite direction. Meanwhile train 2 is sat outside the platform with the relief driver for train 1 on board.
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 12/06/2023 at 18:06 #152139 | |
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xa1401
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KBarber just the person i wanted to talk to.They used have control relief crews back in the day do they still exist or have they been phased out. I went into the sign on room at south dynon in melbourne very early one morning there was about 50 crews there
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| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 12/06/2023 at 22:14 #152140 | |
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jc92
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xa1401 in post 152139 said:KBarber just the person i wanted to talk to.They used have control relief crews back in the day do they still exist or have they been phased out. I went into the sign on room at south dynon in melbourne very early one morning there was about 50 crews thereIf 0D07 see's this he might give a more comprehensive response than me. I can't speak for the passenger side, but freight wise, there's rarely if ever a diagrammed spare driver nowadays. Normally if a driver is required at short notice, its a case of grabbing someone for rest day work (drivers make themselves available for it if they want it), grabbing someone "sort of" free like a yard pilot driver, extending a drivers hours if he's on a suitably short diagram, or cancelling another service to free a driver up. Otherwise the service with the vacancy has to be cancelled. having drivers sat around nominally doing nothing doesn't prove cost effective anymore. The other option is to hire in a driver from another company if someone is available. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 12/06/2023 at 22:24 #152141 | |
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jc92 in post 152140 said:xa1401 in post 152139 said:On a passenger side of things up here, We have lines upon lines in each link of spare drivers/conductors etc. either to cover uncovered work or to deal with service recovery. Route and traction knowledge hinders every depot here. So haveing spares are at each depot is pretty much a given. you'll even get a WRD to come out spare. ;-)KBarber just the person i wanted to talk to.They used have control relief crews back in the day do they still exist or have they been phased out. I went into the sign on room at south dynon in melbourne very early one morning there was about 50 crews thereIf 0D07 see's this he might give a more comprehensive response than me. I can't speak for the passenger side, but freight wise, there's rarely if ever a diagrammed spare driver nowadays. Normally if a driver is required at short notice, its a case of grabbing someone for rest day work (drivers make themselves available for it if they want it), grabbing someone "sort of" free like a yard pilot driver, extending a drivers hours if he's on a suitably short diagram, or cancelling another service to free a driver up. Otherwise the service with the vacancy has to be cancelled. having drivers sat around nominally doing nothing doesn't prove cost effective anymore. The other option is to hire in a driver from another company if someone is available. How to report an issue: www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:reportanissue Log in to reply The following user said thank you: xa1401 |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 13/06/2023 at 08:16 #152143 | |
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kbarber
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xa1401 in post 152139 said:KBarber just the person i wanted to talk to.They used have control relief crews back in the day do they still exist or have they been phased out. I went into the sign on room at south dynon in melbourne very early one morning there was about 50 crews thereNothing I say is up to date... I guess you're not aware that I'm the Simsig Dinosaur - left the industry in 1994, left Operations in 1987 (though being in Personnel meant I kept up pretty well with things outside) and my time as a signalman was back at the beginning of the '80s (mechanical frames and absolute block). However... Things could vary hugely between depots, and over time. At passenger depots, most crews would be rostered to particular diagrams. There were always 'spare' crews in the establishment but they acted more like relief signalmen - they'd be rostered to particular turns week by week covering leave, vacancies or whatever. It was common (in the London area at least) for there to be some vacancies so there was usually a bit of overtime that couldn't be covered by Spare turns. Until the mid-80s, it was usual for suburban depots (at least) to have 'cover turns' in the roster - a crew or two who would sit in the depot in case of perturbations (not uncommon with signalling up to 40 years old). Around the mid-80s, the pressure was on and an edict came down from York that cover turns in the depots working into Liverpool Street were to be done away with. I vividly recall a meeting with the Enfield (I think) Drivers' Staff Reps at which the Train Crew Manager announced the joyful news (and I duly minuted the 'vehement protests' ) before he (less fully minuted) told them how he proposed to ensure cover was available during the peaks (i.e. how he was going to get around York's instructions). I duly wrote up the form of words he dictated to me and added the traditional "Staff side noted" coda. Freight depots were a different matter. Here, practice varied much more. In some places, crews would be rostered to particular diagrams where it was known or anticipated trains would run and the whole thing was pretty much tied up on paper by the beginning of each shift. Other places (I'm looking at you, Ripple Lane), allocation of crews to diagrams was avoided wherever possible but virtually everyone was booked on 'Spare'. Diagrams would then be covered as they arose on the day (it was rare for a driver to get no work, I should add). Flexibility was total and just-about anything would be covered. Helped by the fact that Ripple Lane men went everywhere (it's a known fact that when Neil Armstrong set foot on the Moon there was a Ripple Lane set there to relieve him :-) ) Of course, working like that meant a good relationship with a high level of trust was needed between roster clerks, train crew supervisors and staff, but where it worked it worked brilliantly. As for nowadays, I know Hap speaks from current experience as does Joe. But I suspect practices vary even more than they used to (and, as ever, what happens in real life may 'sometimes' vary from the official version). Last edited: 13/06/2023 at 08:17 by kbarber Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: xa1401 |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 13/06/2023 at 08:50 #152144 | |
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kbarber in post 152143 said:But I suspect practices vary even more than they used to (and, as ever, what happens in real life may 'sometimes' vary from the official version).Only to be expected in the current shambolic and fractured state of our railways with so many different TOCs and FOCs each with their own systems and ways of working. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Carlisle Caldew Jn Sig CE431 13/06/2023 at 11:45 #152145 | |
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kbarber in post 152143 said:it's a known fact that when Neil Armstrong set foot on the Moon there was a Ripple Lane set there to relieve him :-)This is great Log in to reply |