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| Crewe 2003 07/03/2024 at 09:57 #155623 | |
geswedey
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There a couple of trains that reverse at Gresty Lane to go to Crewe Electric Depot that use the Up and Down Loop at Crewe that need a through line stop added as well 5K06 0K90
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| Crewe 2003 07/03/2024 at 18:07 #155627 | |
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AlexH
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A couple of things I've noticed that are finally not related to me spectacularly screwing up! There are a few Voyager workings where the max speed is set at 100mph. Is this because it was pathed as such? There are a number of workings for which the max speed is 125mph. There was also a class 6 at some point batting along at 75mph. I also noticed (Wednesday timetable) that there was 1V80 and 1V83 entering together. These appear to be alternates? They both leave Lime Street at 13.00. Possible rule missing? Log in to reply |
| Crewe 2003 07/03/2024 at 20:03 #155628 | |
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AlexH
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Might be a stupid question... 5A62 is just about arriving to Crewe now. It appears one loco drops off the front (up end) and trundles off. Then a loco is due to come out of the down-facing siding, and then joins to the back. Should the loco not replace place-for-place the loco that came off?
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| Crewe 2003 07/03/2024 at 20:13 #155629 | |
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MarkC
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AlexH in post 155628 said:Might be a stupid question... 5A62 is just about arriving to Crewe now. It appears one loco drops off the front (up end) and trundles off. Then a loco is due to come out of the down-facing siding, and then joins to the back. Should the loco not replace place-for-place the loco that came off?Not necessarily, looking at the makeup of the train it looks like it might be a push-pull set and if that is the case the DVT would traditionally be at the London end, the class 47 being at the front of the train from Holyhead gets removed and the 87 is added to the rear and connected up so it can be driven from the DVT at the front. Although I stand to be corrected but I believe it was prohibited to have an electric loco dead in train going between Crewe and Holyhead Last edited: 07/03/2024 at 20:13 by MarkC Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: AlexH |
| Crewe 2003 07/03/2024 at 20:19 #155630 | |
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officer dibble
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Correct, AC locos are not permitted along the NW Coast, although 90039 did get to Llandudno Junction in error back in 2005 on the 0520 BHM-HHD when it wasn't cut off the front before the 57/3 took over. 90039 was eventually rescued by 47830 after a stay in the yard at LLJ. With regards to the Virgin West Coast LH workings in the up direction it was always DL(booked Cl.47)+DVT+coaches between HHD & CRE. The 47 would then come off the front and the AC electric (86, 87 or 90) attach to the rear and propel the train to Euston. When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Last edited: 07/03/2024 at 20:22 by officer dibble Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: AlexH |
| Crewe 2003 07/03/2024 at 21:01 #155631 | |
elltrain3
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Thanks for this all, got all those through lines ticked, gonna have a trawl through and see if I can find any more before re-releasing. 1V80/83 - I think 1V80 must be a mistake as I cannot see that in the WTT! Got a full day off tomorrow so should have all this fixed and re-uploaded by tomorrow 
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| Crewe 2003 07/03/2024 at 21:19 #155632 | |
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elltrain3
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Finally gone through every Crew Change & Through line stop in the TT (I hope!) and sorted those issues, really glad people are enjoying the TT (despite these issues!) The Voyager 100mph Issues are mainly because i've grouped VXC & VT 221s together buti've set them all as 125 fornow the class 6 going 75mph is a puzzler, I've gone through the train Categories and no class 6s max'd at 75 there so might be a mis-labeling of a train, If you find the specific train gimme a shout. The formations took a bit of research but yeah MarkC is right in that the 47 was attached to the DVT with the AC attached at the rear for up trains. Now re-uploaded (take 3)! and awaiting approval, Thanks for your patience. Resident Mock Maker! / "The Out Of Control Host" Log in to reply The following user said thank you: AlexH |
| Crewe 2003 07/03/2024 at 21:33 #155633 | |
Steamer
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elltrain3 in post 155632 said:All 221s are good for 125mph, and as far as I know they all had tilt enabled (so good for EPS-D limits) as well. The move to disable tilt on the XC examples was only after Virgin lost the XC franchise and the XC allocation stopped running over the northern half of the WCML. That said I don't know if the tilt infrastructure was commissioned in the Crewe area in 2003. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following users said thank you: elltrain3, AlexH |
| Crewe 2003 08/03/2024 at 07:06 #155635 | |
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0D07
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Only had 5 mins or so but 7M82 Enters coming off the Marches Route and this was a EWS Trunk Engineers service the train is timed at 60mph instead of 45mph. 0D07 Log in to reply The following user said thank you: elltrain3 |
| Crewe 2003 09/03/2024 at 16:31 #155643 | |
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AlexH
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Sure. will do! Thanks for all your work on this! I have a question on two trains, light engines really. One of them is 0A14. It comes out of the Electric Depot, then Salop Goods and then Gresty Lane. I can't see a way of getting them there without going via Crewe station. Am I missing something? Log in to reply |
| Crewe 2003 09/03/2024 at 16:56 #155645 | |
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geswedey
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Up Chester Independent
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| Crewe 2003 09/03/2024 at 17:28 #155646 | |
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AlexH
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Except that doesn't work? It wants to get to Gresty Lane. And that line pops you out beyond where you can access Gresty Lane?
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| Crewe 2003 09/03/2024 at 17:52 #155647 | |
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geswedey
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Whoops, Not concentrating enough too engrossed in watching the 6 Nations
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| Crewe 2003 09/03/2024 at 18:22 #155648 | |
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elltrain3
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Yes Good point, that isn't possible however the timetable validates so might need some bug-fixing there! as that route is not possible. I will amend to send it via the station Glad your enjoying it Resident Mock Maker! / "The Out Of Control Host" Log in to reply |
| Crewe 2003 09/03/2024 at 18:47 #155649 | |
flabberdacks
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Has 6F17 been mentioned? (UID 6F16MWTHO which is interesting) Entered 53 early with delays off edit: Also 1M06 - a 5-car 221 which enters at 1101, gets to Crewe on the DFL at 1107 and sits there until 1127 - is that right? 1A49 appears to detach a loco from the front (0Z49) and then 0A49 attaches to the rear, but the train continues in the same direction as which it arrived. Should 0A49 run around and attach to the up end of the train instead? Last edited: 09/03/2024 at 20:35 by flabberdacks Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: elltrain3 |
| Crewe 2003 09/03/2024 at 20:59 #155650 | |
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elltrain3
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6F17 seems alright to me, the UID is due it having 3 different versions for each day, I added that to help me more than anything, it should run normally. 1M06 - Yeah weird one this, the UFL/DFL have a few trains that just sit there (genuinely Timetabled to do so) - this one with 14m pathing allowance, I'm not too sure of the reason, in this TT 'Project Rio' (sneaky hint on why manchester is proving so hard to create!) is up and running so not sure if they sit here awaiting a path at Piccadilly, it's the only reason I can think off. VXC were also running extra 2+5 HST services to increase capacity, so that might be another reason. Either way, it's certainly odd! 1A49 - This is correct in that the Diesel comes off the front and the AC onto the back for reasons mentioned in this thread by Officer Dibble "With regards to the Virgin West Coast LH workings in the up direction it was always DL(booked Cl.47)+DVT+coaches between HHD & CRE. The 47 would then come off the front and the AC electric (86, 87 or 90) attach to the rear and propel the train to Euston." Resident Mock Maker! / "The Out Of Control Host" Log in to reply |
| Crewe 2003 10/03/2024 at 12:06 #155651 | |
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flabberdacks
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Ah very good. Thanks for your answers
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| Crewe 2003 10/03/2024 at 13:07 #155652 | |
Splodge
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On the latest version, 0L36 still gets confused around Gresty Lane - it has been sat waiting for the right away at GL19 but F2 states it is waiting at Gresty Lane and the TT isn't stepped up to GL19/22
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| Crewe 2003 10/03/2024 at 13:48 #155653 | |
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flabberdacks
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4O69 enters an hour early off Manchester with delays off 1V80 and 1V83 both enter, they are both 1300 off Lime Street, I bet they don't both run on the same day Last edited: 10/03/2024 at 13:59 by flabberdacks Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Crewe 2003 10/03/2024 at 21:30 #155664 | |
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AlexH
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6S96 is the class 6 I was thinking of, Wednesday day of play. Happily batting along at 75mph
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| Crewe 2003 10/03/2024 at 22:15 #155666 | |
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elltrain3
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0L36 - Not sure about this one, can't validate the TT without the Gresty lane timing points but it doesn't understand how to reverse...hmm puzzler If anyone has tips to fix that gimme a shout! 4O69 fixed the entry time it was 1hr different from the first location time! I think I've already fixed 1V80 / 1V83 as in my version they enter from 2 different placed hours apart. I'll get another upload put in now Thanks All!
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| Crewe 2003 11/03/2024 at 00:17 #155668 | |
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flabberdacks
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Thanks for your responsiveness. I'm still running through the old version (don't really have time to restart from midnight now that I'm into the afternoon). So please forgive if I raise anything which has already been fixed.
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| Crewe 2003 11/03/2024 at 22:37 #155675 | |
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flabberdacks
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1F17 and 5A62 are both booked to use platform 11 at the same time 5A62 1512 1528 1F17 1515 1520 going the opposite direction Additionally, 5A62 detaches 0Z62 from the front which doesn't leave for the Down Refuge Siding until 1545, preventing on time departure of 5A62 -- 0O29 needs Gresty Lane GL19 location, currently has Gresty Lane location, causing it to stop in the wrong spot -- 6V52-1 and 4S54 need 'regulation stop' or passing time at Weaver Jn otherwise they just stop on the main line and won't move until time, which isn't right unless they're changing crew -- another: 1F18 Crewe P6 1618 1625 1M74 Crewe P6 1621 1623 Just checking they're using the correct platforms there? 1M74 is timetabled to teleport through 1F18 -- 0K52 departs Gresty Green Up Loop 1730 towards Crewe, but 6F27 is due to arrive in the Up Loop at 1729. Could be a timetable anomaly. 0K52 can just reverse at GL19 rather than going into the loop. -- 6K05 waits 1732 1742 at Hartford Jn but no train enters behind it to overtake. Is there a train missing that 6K05 is put aside for? In any event if you make the Hartford Jn location a 'regulating stop', I can just keep it going. -- 5F45 enters super early with a note on it saying 'hold until 2025' - but once 4L71 is gone, it's the next train into 6. -- Check entry time 1V91 - enters the sim at 20:03. Considering the description says it's 20:03 off Piccadilly. Also it has passing time ticked at Crewe - confirm it doesn't stop at Crewe? -- There's a problem with the rule '4S86 must appear 5 minutes after 0S00-6 leaves the area' - 4S86 enters the sim at 1015 and 0S00-6 isn't until 1955hrs. As such 4S86 has entered from Staffs nearly 10 hours late hahaha - Considering the entry point of 4S86, I suspect the rule is attached to the wrong train? Last edited: 12/03/2024 at 07:45 by flabberdacks Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Crewe 2003 12/03/2024 at 22:41 #155686 | |
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elltrain3
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Yeah no worries, thanks for finding these! they are all sorted now! I'll get the new version uploaded tomorrow hopefully The Regulating stop for 6K05 I think is for pathing reasons/space within Basford hall, as IIRC it does some internal shunting In the yard from what I found from a photo somewhere (can't remember where I saw it) 5F45 - the note is just in case you have late running etc as it sits there for 12m blocking a key platform! Resident Mock Maker! / "The Out Of Control Host" Last edited: 12/03/2024 at 22:52 by elltrain3 Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: flabberdacks |
| Crewe 2003 14/03/2024 at 12:53 #155699 | |
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flabberdacks
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Hello it's me again! 6M16-1 needs more shunt instructions to reach the Down Sidings, as it can't get there directly -- 6Z58 is too long for P8 Crewe as booked. Is it definitely meant to use a platform it can't fit into? Last edited: 14/03/2024 at 13:46 by flabberdacks Reason: None given Log in to reply |