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Some information 09/09/2010 at 19:13 #1733 | |
hornby0729
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Hello, I am thinking of writing a fictional TT for Kings Cross, but although it would be fictional it will also be realistic. So I am wondering if some people in this great community could share some expert knowledge. The types of information that I require I will list below:
This is a quick list that I have created and the list will grow has I think of things to ask. I do not expect quick answers has the questions may take time to answer. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. Log in to reply |
Some information 09/09/2010 at 19:13 #11334 | |
hornby0729
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Hello, I am thinking of writing a fictional TT for Kings Cross, but although it would be fictional it will also be realistic. So I am wondering if some people in this great community could share some expert knowledge. The types of information that I require I will list below:
This is a quick list that I have created and the list will grow has I think of things to ask. I do not expect quick answers has the questions may take time to answer. Thank you for any help you may be able to provide. Log in to reply |
Some information 09/09/2010 at 19:16 #11336 | |
hornby0729
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hornby0729 said:I have just realised that this sounds the same has the other bullet point futher up the list. What I mean is: In normal situations how much stock and what types of stock are stored in the depots and sidings and what services are these trains used for? Log in to reply |
Some information 09/09/2010 at 20:47 #11345 | |
Peter Bennet
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FCC run 41 x 313s 40 x 365s 12 x 317s 5 x 322s (but have some more expected December 2010) Which all run on the GN lines out of KX. Primary depot is Hornsey (suggest you have a look at Google Earth for size) Around 9 lines of storage at Welwyn, each can take 8 car set- 2 or 3 at Hertford each line taking at least a 6 car and some storage at Letchworth and Cambridge- don't know the capacity and quite a bit at Peterborough. East Coast run the 91 Mk4 sets and some HSTs- HSTs are based at Leeds, I believe, but there is space at Bounds Green for something like 10 91 sets at least (Google earth maybe assist). Hull Trains and Grand Central are not based in the area but each have 4 or 5 trains to play with. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
Some information 09/09/2010 at 20:59 #11346 | |
UKTrainMan
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One East Coast HST set stores in Bounds Green on Saturday night as it runs an early morning service off KingsX in the morning. Grand Central have about two Class 180 Adelantes and the rest are Class 43 HST Power Cars with a rake of Mk3 carriages and often, if not almost always, use Ferme Park for overnight storage. Also don't forget about their two different services, the northern one to Sunderland and the "West Riding" one to Bradford. I've previously seen a First Hull Trains Class 180 parked up overnight outside the main shed at Bounds Green. Peter Bennet said: 5 x 322s (but have some more expected December 2010)Class 321s, not 322s. In-fact 321/4s if I recall correctly. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
Some information 09/09/2010 at 21:11 #11347 | |
ipswich
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Peterborough nene : about 12-15 lines most can hold 12 car units
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Some information 10/09/2010 at 13:23 #11359 | |
hornby0729
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Thank you for your help, however I think that it may be best for me to ask the questions one at a time. So here is my first question. Where are Grand central trains stored over night, how many in each location, when do they leave the depots/sidings in the Morning (Roughly)? Log in to reply |
Some information 10/09/2010 at 18:37 #11364 | |
UKTrainMan
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UKTrainMan said:Grand Central ..... and often, if not almost always, use Ferme Park for overnight storageAt least one is in there per night however with the new West Riding service they may now be storing two per night. I'll have to see if I can obtain the information for their ECS workings to/from Ferme Park CS. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
Some information 13/09/2010 at 06:16 #11423 | |
officer dibble
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First Hull Trains Class 180 units are now outbased at the First Great Western HSTD located at Old Oak Common, as the fitters/shunters there have previous with the class, and there is an ECS move (5H01 IIRC) in the morning (the evening return escapes me, but 5V97 rings a bell). Confusingly there is also a path available to/from Bounds Green, and also to/from Ferme Park, but these are only used on very rare occasions nowadays.
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Some information 13/09/2010 at 10:03 #11427 | |
moonraker
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Ah thought I saw a 180 back at Old Oak last thursday when we were coming out of Padd on the way home. That explains that then.
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Some information 14/09/2010 at 10:28 #11444 | |
Philo
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The 125 Group has the diagrams for their HST-sets and the 180s of Grand Central, among others. www.125group.org.uk Philo Log in to reply |
Some information 14/09/2010 at 18:28 #11445 | |
hornby0729
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Philo said:The 125 Group has the diagrams for their HST-sets and the 180s of Grand Central, among others.Thank you all for your information, this information along with timings (and headcodes) that are from the May 2010 timetable (many thanks to the auther) are helping me for the time being... Log in to reply |
Some information 14/09/2010 at 18:45 #11446 | |
officer dibble
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Might I also suggest this page from the East Coast website? http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/Travel-Information/ by clicking on the TT links, it gives you the Headcodes, under Train ID. (strangely "headcode" looks like a service reference no. rather that its ,ore usual usage). Anyhoo, hope this helps you. Log in to reply |
Some information 14/09/2010 at 19:05 #11448 | |
hornby0729
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officer dibble said:Might I also suggest this page from the East Coast website?Thank you also but i had already seen this but will probably not use them too much has this will be a fictional timetable. Log in to reply |
Some information 14/09/2010 at 19:41 #11450 | |
Chrisrail
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GBRf operate out of Ferme park on various workings as they do out of peterborough. DBS and DRS work scrap steel trains to Hitchin. DBS/FL work trains down the ECML that then take the NLL. Scotrail also use the Sim area at times when the sleepers are diverted. GBRf are also involved in FCC driver training Log in to reply |
Some information 14/09/2010 at 19:55 #11451 | |
Peter Bennet
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Chris, That reminds me, Ferme Park is also where rakes of Underground engineering trains are stored often with Cl66s attached- presumably they go out at night/weekends to the nearest LU access point; maybe they're for the 'Overground' works. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
Some information 17/09/2010 at 19:05 #11554 | |
hornby0729
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Thank you for all your help, I have barely got the structure/frequency of passenger trains yet let alone freight although I will come to those later. For now would some be able to tell me where east coast can store trains on their route, the capacity of the depot/sidings and what type(s) of trains it can cater for? Thanks again Log in to reply |
Some information 17/09/2010 at 19:32 #11558 | |
UKTrainMan
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Many trains leave KingsX as ECS and traverse the Down Goods / Down Slow 2 up to Alexandra Palace, onto the Hertford North line and go into Bowes Park Rev Sdg then into Bounds Green, with almost all of them travelling via Ferme Park CS and the carriage washer. Other trains will be elsewhere and will use places like Neville Hill TMD (near Leeds) and I believe also Craigentinny CS (near Edinburgh Waverley and covered on SimSig Edinburgh) but that sort of information is pretty much irrelevant to creating a TT for KingsX. Bounds Green is mainly for the 225 sets (Class 91 + 9xMk4s + DVT) and as I've already said one HST goes in on Saturday night so it is ready to work a service off KingsX on Sunday. You should be able to work out capacity by looking at Google Earth/Maps (other providers are available). Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
Some information 18/09/2010 at 17:19 #11583 | |
Chrisrail
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Chris, That reminds me, Ferme Park is also where rakes of Underground engineering trains are stored often with Cl66s attached- presumably they go out at night/weekends to the nearest LU access point; maybe they're for the 'Overground' works. Peter Correct Peter They are currently working Barking / Harrow / West Ruislip. I should know I timetable them. Apart from Ferme Park they also have workings in/out from Wellingboro and Tonbridge. Most if not all are Top n Tail Log in to reply |
Some information 04/02/2011 at 11:25 #13397 | |
jamieP
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Hi there WGC has nine roads what can hold 1-4 roads hold 9 cars, 5 and 6 holds 8 cars, 7 and 8 holds 9 cars and the spure holds 6 cars. Peterborough Nene has roads 1-16 but donst have a 7 or 11 so has 14 roads. Most hold 8 cars only apart from 4 and 5 that are 12 car roads. At the moment we have 2 x12 cars and 6x 8 cars and 3 singles. In per night so thats 21 units. 4 x321s, 3x 317s and 14x 365s.
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