1991 timetable

Thanks for the this Neil. Firstly looking at the MGR coal plan I can confirm that 6k91 0951 TWThO MGR Eggborough Power Station - Sudforth Lane is the last workings of that set & shows arriving at Sudforth Lane at 1002, it shows 'DETACH ETIES, LD' & the loco returns to Knottingley TMD. What I am tempyed to say & it's no disrespect to you as I know you are a railwayman, but I don't recall ever having this problem when Kev & I tested the timetable & to back that up some of the users on this thread have also confirmed they have run through the full 24 hours & have not mentioned the fact that they have run out of room at Sudforth Lane. So I'm wondering whether you ended up placing a set in Sudforth Lane that shouldn't be there?

If however you are 100% certain that everything went where it should I'm going to be running a Wednesday test session starting fromn 04.00am snapshot another user has post so I can work out where to put a missing train that someone pointed out.

I'm just wondering if anybody knows what the return working of 7H06 is from Drax as I can't see a 6H06 or anything similar. Sorry if it's already been asked. I'm running the Tuesday TT.

Cheers

Muzer in post 117622 said:

Is it expected that 6K91 terminates with no engine at Sudforth Lane sidings? It's a Tuesday.

Looking at the MGR coal plan 6K910442 TO MGR Ferrybridge- - Sudforth Lane arr.04.54 shows detach empties & LD to Knottingley TMD. The loco departs Sudforth Lane at 05.10 & arrives at Knottingley TMD at 05.14.
Another loco comes off Knottingley TMD as 0K91 05.56 TWThO to Sudforth Lane & attaches to either that set of empties or another set there to form 6K91 06.26 MGR Sudforth Lane - York Yard North. I'd be very surprised if Kev & I missed something as we both extensively tested this timetable throughout each day of the week well before the advent of the alpha & beta tester teams. What you need to realise with MGR workings is that any set at either Sudforth Lane or Milford WS could be used for any MGR working as they are all 36 MGR wagon sets apart from the circuits working to Welbeck Disposal which are restricted to 32 MGR wagon sets due to coal slag weighing heavier than the coal sent to the power stations. So when allocating a set to its next working it doesn't necessarily follow that the specific set you are quierying has a next working.

Just found two small bugs in the TT.

The first is 4M77 - 1400 SX COY Bathgate TC - Washwood Heath Up Sdgs (FDAA TI Cl.47/3+16 empty PLA 2 tier cartics). It enters the sim with headcode "2036", which I assume found its way into that box because the train's entry time was mistakenly put there instead.

Secondly, when in the F4 -> Train Characteristics -> Train Category drop-down list, one of the entries reads "Cl.56+36 empty MGR wagns" (a small typo).

2G60 0830 Doncaster - Holbeck Track Recording Unit, when returning from Monk Bretton towards Crofton East Spur, calls up from WK6823 Sig Oakenshaw South Jn and queries the route to Crofton East.

Phil-jmw in post 118071 said:

2G60 0830 Doncaster - Holbeck Track Recording Unit, when returning from Monk Bretton towards Crofton East Spur, calls up from WK6823 Sig Oakenshaw South Jn and queries the route to Crofton East.

Anyone know if there's a way around this bug? I've been playing this brilliant sim for weeks now and have managed to get this far without any errors (other than timing) - I'd like to carry on without being told I've set the wrong route. Is there a way up that side spur?

Thanks

But as you asked, the two other empty sets sitting in Sudforth Sidings are:

6K94FSX1738, arrived 17:55 as booked (17:35 Selby Discharge to Sudforth. Joins 0K86 to form 6K86FSX2155 - 21:55 Sudforth to York Yard North)
6K83FSX1855, arrived 19:15 as booked (18:55 Selby Discharge to Sudforth. Joins 0K82 to form 6K822209 - 22:09 Sudforth to Selby New Mine)

So both other sets of empties should be sitting there at 19:43 (my current sim time) - it's 6K91MFX0951 that's messed things up. If it should indeed arrive at around 10:00 and just sit there for the rest of the day then this is one of those "too much coal and not enough sidings" situations that we're going to have to manage at 19:45.

lazzer in post 118098 said:

But as you asked, the two other empty sets sitting in Sudforth Sidings are:

6K94FSX1738, arrived 17:55 as booked (17:35 Selby Discharge to Sudforth. Joins 0K86 to form 6K86FSX2155 - 21:55 Sudforth to York Yard North)
6K83FSX1855, arrived 19:15 as booked (18:55 Selby Discharge to Sudforth. Joins 0K82 to form 6K822209 - 22:09 Sudforth to Selby New Mine)

So both other sets of empties should be sitting there at 19:43 (my current sim time) - it's 6K91MFX0951 that's messed things up. If it should indeed arrive at around 10:00 and just sit there for the rest of the day then this is one of those "too much coal and not enough sidings" situations that we're going to have to manage at 19:45.

I'm running the timetable on a Tuesday and have run into the very same problem re 6K86.

I think creating a new class 56 to come out of Knottingley and run the empties up to Milford is the best solution here. Otherwise you just end up with a blockage at Sudforth.

Actually there are two places you can put 6N20 so the run-round can be done: on the up line (behind WK8211), or in the loop (behind WK8823).
I was playing this timetable yesterday, and I sent 6N20 into the loop (so WK1193 > WK1195 > WK8823) which worked fine.

lazzer in post 121802 said:

I think creating a new class 56 to come out of Knottingley and run the empties up to Milford is the best solution here. Otherwise you just end up with a blockage at Sudforth.

Having looked at the Arr/Dep for Sudforth Lane, 6K95 1414 SX MGR Sudforth Lane - Selby New Mine could be a candidate for 6K91MFX0951's next working; as at the moment it is only referenced by trains that run on Monday (6K86SUDFTHLNUP) and Friday (6K95FO0306), yet 6K95 is listed as running SX.

In fact 0K951335FX is scheduled to join with 6K951414 but in Sudforth Lane Up Sdg for the Monday version of 6K95.

Whats the correct way to run around at Sudford Lane? When I tried, the loco kept going all the way to Knottingley station.

swiftaw in post 122063 said:

Whats the correct way to run around at Sudford Lane? When I tried, the loco kept going all the way to Knottingley station.

Any more info on what you did so we can tell if it should work or not?

If it's a straight forward run round I normally use the headshunts at either end of the reception lines but you should be able to reverse on the mainline too.

jc92 in post 122065 said:

swiftaw in post 122063 said:

Whats the correct way to run around at Sudford Lane? When I tried, the loco kept going all the way to Knottingley station.

Any more info on what you did so we can tell if it should work or not?

If it's a straight forward run round I normally use the headshunts at either end of the reception lines but you should be able to reverse on the mainline too.

Have Down trains in sidings 1 and 2, loco in 1 needs to run around so train can head in the up direction. I sent the loco to stop at FE6473, which it did. So then I reversed in through FE6470 with the idea that it would stop once it passed FE6459 which i could use to get it back in the sidings. However it kept going through FE6450 towards Knottingley.

swiftaw in post 122068 said:

jc92 in post 122065 said:

swiftaw in post 122063 said:

Whats the correct way to run around at Sudford Lane? When I tried, the loco kept going all the way to Knottingley station.

Any more info on what you did so we can tell if it should work or not?

If it's a straight forward run round I normally use the headshunts at either end of the reception lines but you should be able to reverse on the mainline too.

Have Down trains in sidings 1 and 2, loco in 1 needs to run around so train can head in the up direction. I sent the loco to stop at FE6473, which it did. So then I reversed in through FE6470 with the idea that it would stop once it passed FE6459 which i could use to get it back in the sidings. However it kept going through FE6450 towards Knottingley.

I cant reproduce this with a test timetable. at the risk of patronising you, is it definitely a run round? most locos go to/come from Knottingley TMD unless the train is to/from Kellingley. whats the headcode and UID of the train and/or loco?

I've sorted the various tt bugs and I have sent an updated version (1.6) of the timetable to the admins for a release.


Kev