Page 2 of 3
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 17/10/2019 at 14:53 #121121 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
Albert in post 121079 said:It could be that you attached the EPSP loco after 1M12 had left during testing. The loco enters rather early.When the timetable is tested it is done so with faults and failures set to zero and all trains running on time, as it is pointless trying to test with any of those randoms being set. If you as the signaller running a tested and published timetable with delays and early running being allowed choose to make moves earlier than they are booked and then find yourself short of room on a platform (or stitched up any other way) then you only have yourself to blame, you can't blame the TT. It is up to signalmen to regulate accordingly to prevent such occurences. Albert in post 121079 said: Edit: 1V63/1V64 also conflict at Derby platform 4. This is not a stopping position issue.Noting your later comment re timetable issue, it always helps if you ensure you are running the latest version of the TT instead of causing the writers and testers to scratch their heads by raising issues you find running an earlier version that have already been resolved in the latest release version. Last edited: 17/10/2019 at 15:00 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 04/11/2019 at 12:33 #121475 | |
Albert
![]() 1315 posts |
I got the winter version, looks nice with some added shunts in the morning. One minor issue I noted so far: 5C06 arrives from Etches Park at 05:55 and detaches a loco that goes back into the yard. This train is called DYSPA, but shouldn't it have an EPSP headcode for the Etches Park pilot? The Derby station pilot DYSP is attached to 5D92 in the north dock at this time. Or did Derby have two station pilots?
AJP in games Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 04/11/2019 at 16:56 #121477 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
Albert in post 121475 said:I got the winter version, looks nice with some added shunts in the morning. One minor issue I noted so far: 5C06 arrives from Etches Park at 05:55 and detaches a loco that goes back into the yard. This train is called DYSPA, but shouldn't it have an EPSP headcode for the Etches Park pilot? The Derby station pilot DYSP is attached to 5D92 in the north dock at this time. Or did Derby have two station pilots?I seem to recall there were two pilots, and I think we referred to them as the north end and west end jocko's (jocko being slang for the Class 08 loco's used), but my memory of nearly 30 years ago is a little fuzzy on the detail so I've tapped up a former colleague of the time to see if he can shed more light. I do find it difficult to think how we could have performed all the attaching and detaching moves with the mail trains without two as Derby was a busy mail train hub at that time, as well as still having many loco hauled services that originated and terminated there. Last edited: 04/11/2019 at 16:57 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 04/11/2019 at 17:01 #121478 | |
Albert
![]() 1315 posts |
Well, there are three pilots in-sim anyway at some point: 5C12 and 5G70 both detach a pilot (EPSP and DYSP, respectively) within minutes of each other, while the original DYSP is still in the north dock attached to 5D92, so you are probably right when you say there was a second DYSP.
AJP in games Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 04/11/2019 at 17:19 #121479 | |
jc92
![]() 3649 posts |
Albert in post 121478 said:Well, there are three pilots in-sim anyway at some point: 5C12 and 5G70 both detach a pilot (EPSP and DYSP, respectively) within minutes of each other, while the original DYSP is still in the north dock attached to 5D92, so you are probably right when you say there was a second DYSP.There should be two. The etches Park pilot and the station pilot (there were formerly two Station pilots Phil). I suspect the issue here might be things not happening as promptly as needed. The pilots don't have rules governing entry purely because one clanger can shut down the timetable where in reality it could be worked around. It might be the first pilot hasn't left brfor the second enters. I'll check when I get some time free. Edit: not rules. I see what you're saying. The North Dock shunt was reworked to be more accurate. It might need retiming. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Last edited: 04/11/2019 at 17:21 by jc92 Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: VInce |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 04/11/2019 at 20:41 #121482 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
jc92 in post 121479 said:[quote=Albert;post=121478]There should be two. The etches Park pilot and the station pilot (there were formerly two Station pilots Phil).Thanks for confirming that Joe, I was pretty sure there were but not 100% sure. I recall that back in 1990-91 we had 1D82 mail arrive from St Pancras late at night, loco off to 4 Shed then the train was split and the two halves went simultaneously onto the front and rear of 1E03 which arrived shortly after. I'm pretty sure these simultaneous attaching moves were performed by north and west end jocko's and I'm hoping to get confirmation from a former colleague as I said earlier. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: VInce |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 04/11/2019 at 21:28 #121483 | |
VInce
![]() 579 posts |
Phil-jmw in post 121482 said:jc92 in post 121479 said:I'll confirm that too, Phil. I left just before this timetable started and moved from Derby PSB to be Regional Railways Chief District Controller at Nottingham but there was definitely a North End and a West end jocko which the signallers tracked by hanging a small white board tag over the button nearest to where they were....[quote=Albert;post=121478]There should be two. The etches Park pilot and the station pilot (there were formerly two Station pilots Phil).Thanks for confirming that Joe, I was pretty sure there were but not 100% sure. I recall that back in 1990-91 we had 1D82 mail arrive from St Pancras late at night, loco off to 4 Shed then the train was split and the two halves went simultaneously onto the front and rear of 1E03 which arrived shortly after. I'm pretty sure these simultaneous attaching moves were performed by north and west end jocko's and I'm hoping to get confirmation from a former colleague as I said earlier. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 04/11/2019 at 21:48 #121484 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
VInce in post 121483 said:Phil-jmw in post 121482 said:Thanks for that Vince, I was rather hoping you'd see this thread as I was pretty sure you'd be able to help, and reassure me that my memory hadn't completely turned to fuzz. Yes I remember those little white bakelite tags with holes in to go over the buttons. They also used to hang them on buttons for various sidings exit signals as reminders for moves waiting to depart. I seem to recall some of them were even engraved with the likes of 'HST', for example. Another reminder for the jocko's was to interpose 3.50 in the TD of the signal they were standing at (if it had one), a reference to Cl.08's 350hp. With modern TD's signalmen can actually interpose the word 'JOKO', but Derby didn't have that luxury back then. I do also recall the letters I,Q,R,U,W and Y could not be interposed in the TD letter field. Weekend ballast trains used to appear as 'R's on the ballast notice (6R01, 6R02, etc.,) but they were normally described as xLxx on Derby and Trent PSB areas for that reason.jc92 in post 121479 said:I'll confirm that too, Phil. I left just before this timetable started and moved from Derby PSB to be Regional Railways Chief District Controller at Nottingham but there was definitely a North End and a West end jocko which the signallers tracked by hanging a small white board tag over the button nearest to where they were....[quote=Albert;post=121478]There should be two. The etches Park pilot and the station pilot (there were formerly two Station pilots Phil).Thanks for confirming that Joe, I was pretty sure there were but not 100% sure. I recall that back in 1990-91 we had 1D82 mail arrive from St Pancras late at night, loco off to 4 Shed then the train was split and the two halves went simultaneously onto the front and rear of 1E03 which arrived shortly after. I'm pretty sure these simultaneous attaching moves were performed by north and west end jocko's and I'm hoping to get confirmation from a former colleague as I said earlier. Thanks again, Phil. Last edited: 04/11/2019 at 22:02 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 04/11/2019 at 22:27 #121486 | |
VInce
![]() 579 posts |
Phil-jmw in post 121484 said:VInce in post 121483 said:Yes Phil they couldn't use A,B,I,J,N,Q,R,U,W and Y. There were historical reasons for that. It was an Midland line box they only used C,D,E,F,G,H,K,L,M,O,P,S,T,V,X and Z by arrangement with the other regions.Phil-jmw in post 121482 said:Thanks for that Vince, I was rather hoping you'd see this thread as I was pretty sure you'd be able to help, and reassure me that my memory hadn't completely turned to fuzz. Yes I remember those little white bakelite tags with holes in to go over the buttons. They also used to hang them on buttons for various sidings exit signals as reminders for moves waiting to depart. I seem to recall some of them were even engraved with the likes of 'HST', for example. Another reminder for the jocko's was to interpose 3.50 in the TD of the signal they were standing at (if it had one), a reference to Cl.08's 350hp. With modern TD's signalmen can actually interpose the word 'JOKO', but Derby didn't have that luxury back then. I do also recall the letters I,Q,R,U,W and Y could not be interposed in the TD letter field. Weekend ballast trains used to appear as 'R's on the ballast notice (6R01, 6R02, etc.,) but they were normally described as 6Lxx on Derby and Trent PSB areas for that reason.jc92 in post 121479 said:I'll confirm that too, Phil. I left just before this timetable started and moved from Derby PSB to be Regional Railways Chief District Controller at Nottingham but there was definitely a North End and a West end jocko which the signallers tracked by hanging a small white board tag over the button nearest to where they were....[quote=Albert;post=121478]There should be two. The etches Park pilot and the station pilot (there were formerly two Station pilots Phil).Thanks for confirming that Joe, I was pretty sure there were but not 100% sure. I recall that back in 1990-91 we had 1D82 mail arrive from St Pancras late at night, loco off to 4 Shed then the train was split and the two halves went simultaneously onto the front and rear of 1E03 which arrived shortly after. I'm pretty sure these simultaneous attaching moves were performed by north and west end jocko's and I'm hoping to get confirmation from a former colleague as I said earlier. In the 70s, as far as Derby PSB was concerned, the following applied. C - Trains terminating on the London (St. Pancras) division D - Trains terminating at Nottingham E - Trains terminating on the Eastern Region F - Local trains starting and terminating on the Nottingham Division G - Local trains terminating on the Birmingham Division H - Trains terminating on the Manchester Division although in practice anything through Derby ran with an "M" since they had to pass through the Eastern from Chesterfield - Chinley and vv to rejoin the Midland Region K - Trains terminating on the Stoke division P - Trains terminating at Derby. O - Trains terminating on the Southern Region S - Trains terminating on the Scottish Region V - Trains terminating on the Western Region L & T were reserved for special services operating within the LM region. Z - Inter-regional specials X - were trains running with special conditions imposed. All Crewe - Lincoln were 2E84 All Crewe - Nottingham were 2D84 All Derby - Lincoln were 2E85 All Lincoln - Crewe were 2M84 All Lincoln - Derby were 2M85 All Nottingham - Derby were 2P85 All Derby - Nottingham were 2D85 All Derby - Matlock and vv were 2P59 All Derby - Crewe were (I think) 2K84 All Crewe - Derby were possibly 2P84 All Birmingham locals were 2G67 All ECS to EP was 5P89 0F87 LD Derby shed Vince... I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 04/11/2019 at 22:43 by VInce Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: jc92, Phil-jmw |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 05/11/2019 at 15:43 #121490 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
VInce in post 121486 said:Phil-jmw in post 121484 said:A and B could be used Vince. The Crewe line services became 2Axx when the service was extended to Manchester Airport in the mid 90's (they are now 1Kxx terminating at Crewe again), and you must remember 1B08 0244/0255 Derby - Bedford (its departure time changed at some point), returning to Derby as 1F08(?) around 0800 then sitting spare down the Park all day. In 1990 it was a loco + 4, later becoming a Cl.158. There were also 5Bxx EHST's Etches Park - Nottm to form the 1Bxx Nottm - St Px services.VInce in post 121483 said:Yes Phil they couldn't use A,B,I,J,N,Q,R,U,W and Y. There were historical reasons for that. It was an Midland line box they only used C,D,E,F,G,H,K,L,M,O,P,S,T,V,X and Z by arrangement with the other regions.Phil-jmw in post 121482 said:Thanks for that Vince, I was rather hoping you'd see this thread as I was pretty sure you'd be able to help, and reassure me that my memory hadn't completely turned to fuzz. Yes I remember those little white bakelite tags with holes in to go over the buttons. They also used to hang them on buttons for various sidings exit signals as reminders for moves waiting to depart. I seem to recall some of them were even engraved with the likes of 'HST', for example. Another reminder for the jocko's was to interpose 3.50 in the TD of the signal they were standing at (if it had one), a reference to Cl.08's 350hp. With modern TD's signalmen can actually interpose the word 'JOKO', but Derby didn't have that luxury back then. I do also recall the letters I,Q,R,U,W and Y could not be interposed in the TD letter field. Weekend ballast trains used to appear as 'R's on the ballast notice (6R01, 6R02, etc.,) but they were normally described as 6Lxx on Derby and Trent PSB areas for that reason.jc92 in post 121479 said:I'll confirm that too, Phil. I left just before this timetable started and moved from Derby PSB to be Regional Railways Chief District Controller at Nottingham but there was definitely a North End and a West end jocko which the signallers tracked by hanging a small white board tag over the button nearest to where they were....[quote=Albert;post=121478]There should be two. The etches Park pilot and the station pilot (there were formerly two Station pilots Phil).Thanks for confirming that Joe, I was pretty sure there were but not 100% sure. I recall that back in 1990-91 we had 1D82 mail arrive from St Pancras late at night, loco off to 4 Shed then the train was split and the two halves went simultaneously onto the front and rear of 1E03 which arrived shortly after. I'm pretty sure these simultaneous attaching moves were performed by north and west end jocko's and I'm hoping to get confirmation from a former colleague as I said earlier. Thanks for all the headcode info. Just one correction, 4 Shed was 0F81 (0Z81 from another region). If I ever find my notes from my TOPS days (mislaid in two house moves) I had a list of dozens of destinations and their headcodes. There must have been 6 or more for the immediate Derby area, including the station, 4 Shed. loco works, carriage works, Etches Park, RTC, Loco Works Bottom Yard, to name but a few. Regards, Phil. Last edited: 05/11/2019 at 16:00 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 05/11/2019 at 19:39 #121493 | |
VInce
![]() 579 posts |
Phil, Yes, quite right... Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 05/11/2019 at 20:54 #121495 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
Running the recently-re;eased V2.1.6 of this TT, 5E05 detaches from the front of 1E05 and shunts to the North End Dock, but instead of stopping behind DY461 GPL and detaching loco 0E05 he runs all the way in and calls up waiting at the buffer stop. I don't recall this happening when I tested this TT prior to the V1.0 release. I've attached a save. Regards, Phil. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 05/11/2019 at 21:32 #121497 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
Phil-jmw in post 121495 said:Running the recently-re;eased V2.1.6 of this TT, 5E05 detaches from the front of 1E05 and shunts to the North End Dock, but instead of stopping behind DY461 GPL and detaching loco 0E05 he runs all the way in and calls up waiting at the buffer stop.I noticed that the instruction to detach was DR (Detach Rear) rather than DER (Detach Engine Rear) so amended it in F2 but still nothing happened. So I reversed him to come out of the dock and enter again to see if that would trigger a detach, but 5E05 stopped half way out of the dock and is detaching the loco. It's as if it only recognises the location DERBY on the way out of the dock and not on the way in. This definitely didn't happen during testing of the original 1992 TT. I've attached another save. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 05/11/2019 at 22:43 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 12:00 #121508 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
Phil-jmw in post 121497 said:Phil-jmw in post 121495 said:Update - I've just run a save from the previous TT version (V2.1.3), 5E05 stops as it should in the North Dock and detaches 0E05 without issue. What has changed in V2.1.6 that now makes this shunt move not work correctly?Running the recently-re;eased V2.1.6 of this TT, 5E05 detaches from the front of 1E05 and shunts to the North End Dock, but instead of stopping behind DY461 GPL and detaching loco 0E05 he runs all the way in and calls up waiting at the buffer stop.I noticed that the instruction to detach was DR (Detach Rear) rather than DER (Detach Engine Rear) so amended it in F2 but still nothing happened. So I reversed him to come out of the dock and enter again to see if that would trigger a detach, but 5E05 stopped half way out of the dock and is detaching the loco. It's as if it only recognises the location DERBY on the way out of the dock and not on the way in. This definitely didn't happen during testing of the original 1992 TT. I've attached another save. I've attached two x V2.1.3 saves, one just before 5E05 detaches from 1E05, and one 5 mins later showing 0E05 detaching as it should in the North Dock. As a matter of interest, what changes took place between V2.1.3 and V2.1.6? I notice the later version file size is slightly smaller. Phil. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 06/11/2019 at 12:07 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 12:08 #121509 | |
Albert
![]() 1315 posts |
I can confirm the North Dock workings don't cause any problems either in "2.1 build 4" (=2.1.4?), which I still had in my downloads folder by chance.
AJP in games Last edited: 06/11/2019 at 12:15 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 12:26 #121510 | |
jc92
![]() 3649 posts |
Phil-jmw in post 121508 said:Phil-jmw in post 121497 said:Not sure if I'm honest. The only thing I can think of is I beleive it changed at one point from 2 vans to 3 based on new information received.Phil-jmw in post 121495 said:Update - I've just run a save from the previous TT version (V2.1.3), 5E05 stops as it should in the North Dock and detaches 0E05 without issue. What has changed in V2.1.6 that now makes this shunt move not work correctly?Running the recently-re;eased V2.1.6 of this TT, 5E05 detaches from the front of 1E05 and shunts to the North End Dock, but instead of stopping behind DY461 GPL and detaching loco 0E05 he runs all the way in and calls up waiting at the buffer stop.I noticed that the instruction to detach was DR (Detach Rear) rather than DER (Detach Engine Rear) so amended it in F2 but still nothing happened. So I reversed him to come out of the dock and enter again to see if that would trigger a detach, but 5E05 stopped half way out of the dock and is detaching the loco. It's as if it only recognises the location DERBY on the way out of the dock and not on the way in. This definitely didn't happen during testing of the original 1992 TT. I've attached another save. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 12:43 #121511 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
jc92 in post 121510 said:Phil-jmw in post 121508 said:I wondered that too but it's not so Joe. The length and make-up of the shunt was the first thing I looked at as it could affect the stopping position for the 0E05 split, but 5E05 in both versions is loco + 4, Cl.47+BG+3POS.Phil-jmw in post 121497 said:Not sure if I'm honest. The only thing I can think of is I beleive it changed at one point from 2 vans to 3 based on new information received.Phil-jmw in post 121495 said:Update - I've just run a save from the previous TT version (V2.1.3), 5E05 stops as it should in the North Dock and detaches 0E05 without issue. What has changed in V2.1.6 that now makes this shunt move not work correctly?Running the recently-re;eased V2.1.6 of this TT, 5E05 detaches from the front of 1E05 and shunts to the North End Dock, but instead of stopping behind DY461 GPL and detaching loco 0E05 he runs all the way in and calls up waiting at the buffer stop.I noticed that the instruction to detach was DR (Detach Rear) rather than DER (Detach Engine Rear) so amended it in F2 but still nothing happened. So I reversed him to come out of the dock and enter again to see if that would trigger a detach, but 5E05 stopped half way out of the dock and is detaching the loco. It's as if it only recognises the location DERBY on the way out of the dock and not on the way in. This definitely didn't happen during testing of the original 1992 TT. I've attached another save. As an aside, I amended the TT names just now to include the version number so I could see which was which to start a new sim from scratch, but the version nos would not show in the TT selection window in the loader. I tried a couple of random characters as well but they didn't show either, just the name as downloaded, 'Derby 1992 Winter Tuesday'. Very strange. Last edited: 06/11/2019 at 12:44 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 13:11 #121512 | |
Albert
![]() 1315 posts |
A WTT file is in fact a ZIP containing two files: the timetable itself in XML format and a timetable header which contains a copy of the name and description. I guess the loader only reads the header file, and the TT editor only changes the main file. (It is possible to edit these by hand, but SimSig will show a warning if you load a TT that was edited that way.)
AJP in games Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 15:06 #121514 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
Albert in post 121512 said:A WTT file is in fact a ZIP containing two files: the timetable itself in XML format and a timetable header which contains a copy of the name and description. I guess the loader only reads the header file, and the TT editor only changes the main file. (It is possible to edit these by hand, but SimSig will show a warning if you load a TT that was edited that way.)I'm sure I've changed .WTT file names in the C/Users/Public/Public Documents/Simsig/Timetables/(whichever sim) folder in the past and had them show as such in the TT selection window. Edit - Correction, it may be just when I've edited a TT and then done a 'Save As'. Last edited: 06/11/2019 at 15:09 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 15:24 #121516 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
Here's another odd one (this time with V2.1.3) which didn't happen in testing or in the two previous runthroughs of the release version. 7A23 0900 Nadins - Ratcliffe called up ready but I was busy elsewhere so didn't get around to him for a couple of minutes. I then released Nadins GF and set the route. I noticed after a few minutes 7A23 still hadn't appeared, so I looked in the F2 window and 7A23 showed standing at the buffer stop in the dead end in the Down direction, having passed GF8 GPL sig at Danger. I set him back to go behind the signal and he disappeared off the sim into the sidings. I restarted the sim from a previous save and got 7A23 into the dead end again and saved it. I restarted the sim a third time and when 7A23 called up I paused the sim and looked in F2 and he was already doing 15mph (yards and sdgs are normally 5mph max). I quickly set a route out onto the Dn Leicester Goods and 7A23 departed as normal. I've attached a save from just before 7A23 calls up for anyone to try and another with him in the dead end at the buffer stop. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 15:53 #121517 | |
postal
![]() 5216 posts |
Phil-jmw in post 121514 said:Albert in post 121512 said:IIRC and amplifying what Albert has written, if you edit the description of the TT on the front tab of the F4 window, close the F4 window then save the TT, that carries over to the TT name shown when you are loading a new game.A WTT file is in fact a ZIP containing two files: the timetable itself in XML format and a timetable header which contains a copy of the name and description. I guess the loader only reads the header file, and the TT editor only changes the main file. (It is possible to edit these by hand, but SimSig will show a warning if you load a TT that was edited that way.)I'm sure I've changed .WTT file names in the C/Users/Public/Public Documents/Simsig/Timetables/(whichever sim) folder in the past and had them show as such in the TT selection window. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 06/11/2019 at 15:55 by postal Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 16:18 #121518 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
postal in post 121517 said:Phil-jmw in post 121514 said:I didn't know you could amend and save the name that way, but thanks for the tip. I was referring to when you edit as required, close the F4 window, then go to Timetable/Save As on the clock window, and give your edited TT a new name.Albert in post 121512 said:IIRC and amplifying what Albert has written, if you edit the description of the TT on the front tab of the F4 window, close the F4 window then save the TT, that carries over to the TT name shown when you are loading a new game.A WTT file is in fact a ZIP containing two files: the timetable itself in XML format and a timetable header which contains a copy of the name and description. I guess the loader only reads the header file, and the TT editor only changes the main file. (It is possible to edit these by hand, but SimSig will show a warning if you load a TT that was edited that way.)I'm sure I've changed .WTT file names in the C/Users/Public/Public Documents/Simsig/Timetables/(whichever sim) folder in the past and had them show as such in the TT selection window. Last edited: 06/11/2019 at 16:19 by Phil-jmw Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 16:20 #121519 | |
Albert
![]() 1315 posts |
Phil-jmw in post 121516 said:I have reproduced it and did some testing, it happens if you don't press F on the ground frame quickly enough (nearly a minute). If the ground frame is still locked by the time the train reaches the point, the train does not appear to 'see' signal 8. Sim bug, not sure if it's been reported already. AJP in games Last edited: 06/11/2019 at 16:21 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 16:31 #121520 | |
postal
![]() 5216 posts |
Phil-jmw in post 121518 said:I didn't know you could amend and save the name that way, but thanks for the tip. I was referring to when you edit as required, close the F4 window, then go to Timetable/Save As on the clock window, and give your edited TT a new name.Small correction; The field is the Timetable Name not the Timetable Description on the F4 front tab. The advantage of doing it through the TT name is that you have a consistent name for the file and TT. Again IIRC, if you save the TT with the F4 window still open, it doesn't amend the TT or file name. It also doesn't save any edits you have made to the TT description; they are lost as well so it is important to remember to close F4 before saving if you are doing it that way. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
Derby 1992 Summer Timetable 06/11/2019 at 17:07 #121522 | |
Phil-jmw
![]() 674 posts |
Albert in post 121519 said:Phil-jmw in post 121516 said:Ah, so just releasing the frame does it (which won't be possible if you have something passing). Without having tested I just thought I needed to clear the signal in time. I realised after my post that this should have gone in the sim thread rather than TT thread.I have reproduced it and did some testing, it happens if you don't press F on the ground frame quickly enough (nearly a minute). If the ground frame is still locked by the time the train reaches the point, the train does not appear to 'see' signal 8. Sim bug, not sure if it's been reported already. Log in to reply |