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| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 12/10/2009 at 18:57 #48 | |
postal
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Originally posted by Gordonv. I have been playing around with the 1 July 1977 timetable and modified it somewhat. I have added several completely ficticious services to add an extra dimension to this already busy timetable. As a result there are over 2000 trains! The basic timetable is still 99% intact but I have added several totally fictional services just to add variety, such as Baldock to Gordon Hill shuttles and extra freight services. Please do not treat these additions seriously as they are workings which would not have happened in reality. It is my first ever attempt at submitting a timetable so am not even sure if the link will work as I am no whizzkid with a computer but I will give it a try. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 12/10/2009 at 18:57 #3527 | |
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postal
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Originally posted by Gordonv. I have been playing around with the 1 July 1977 timetable and modified it somewhat. I have added several completely ficticious services to add an extra dimension to this already busy timetable. As a result there are over 2000 trains! The basic timetable is still 99% intact but I have added several totally fictional services just to add variety, such as Baldock to Gordon Hill shuttles and extra freight services. Please do not treat these additions seriously as they are workings which would not have happened in reality. It is my first ever attempt at submitting a timetable so am not even sure if the link will work as I am no whizzkid with a computer but I will give it a try. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 30/11/2010 at 14:57 #12713 | |
hotwellian
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Hi, I have finally got around to trying this Tt out. It is rather too much for one person once the rush hour starts but would probly be fine as a multiplay game. One big issue thougt is with up trains that terminate at WGC platform 1 and then go to WGC 3 or 4 and become up trains. The timetable reads something like: WELWYN GARDEN CITY PL1 WELWYN REVERSING SIDINGS WELWYN GARDEN CITY 3 (or 4). The middle location should be: WELWYN GARDEN CITY NORTH REVERSE SIDING WELWYN REVERSING SIDING is on the up side of WGC pl1 and so the shunt cannot be made form ther. Apologies if I have not got the exact TT details, buit I am posting form work and don't have the TT to hand. Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 30/11/2010 at 18:27 #12715 | |
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Danny252
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I don't really see the problem - just route ifrom P1 to the Siding, then from the Reversing Siding to P3 or P4. I've just checked and Simsig accepts the routes without question.
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| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 30/11/2010 at 19:09 #12716 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Danny252 is correct. Route is either; Signal 608 -> Signal 598 -> 'grey exit triangle' or Signal 608 -> Shunt Signal 170 -> Shunt Signal 168 -> Signal 598 -> 'grey exit triangle' then once the train is there wait until booked departure time then you can set the route as Shunt Signal 165 -> Shunt Signal 167 -> Shunt Signal 171 -> Signal 603 (Platform 4) or Signal 605 (Platform 3) as timetabled. It is however interesting to note that it seems possible to set Shunt Signal 165 -> Shunt Signal 171, I know about Preset Shunts but I didn't think it worked from Shunt Signal to Shunt Signal? Finally, hotwellian said: WELWYN GARDEN CITY NORTH REVERSE SIDING :: Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 02/12/2010 at 19:42 #12754 | |
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Albert
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Preset shunts does only work when routing from main to main signal, except when the author of the sim has programmed an exception.
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| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 02/12/2010 at 20:16 #12756 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Albert said:Preset shunts does only work when routing from main to main signal, except when the author of the sim has programmed an exception.Yes....that is why I said UKTrainMan said: It is however interesting to note that it seems possible to set Shunt Signal 165 -> Shunt Signal 171, I know about Preset Shunts but I didn't think worked from Shunt Signal to Shunt Signal? and even linked to the page about Preset Shunts which pretty much says the same as you've said. :rolleyes: Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 02/12/2010 at 20:37 #12757 | |
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Albert
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You put a '?' behind your last sentence. That's why I answered.
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| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 02/12/2010 at 20:44 #12758 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Ah, right. I put the '?' there because I didn't think it should be possible Shunt Signal to Shunt Signal. I Thanks. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 03/12/2010 at 19:13 #12766 | |
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Late Turn
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Sounds more like a 'long route' (i.e. setting two or more routes at once) - the principle of preceding shunts only really applies to a route from a main aspect where, by definition of the latter, any intervening shunt signals must be cleared first. Obviously that requirement doesn't apply to routes from shunt signals, though there could well be some exceptions for various operational reasons I suppose.
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| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 03/12/2010 at 19:14 #12767 | |
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Late Turn
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Sounds more like a 'long route' (i.e. setting two or more routes at once) - the principle of preceding shunts only really applies to a route from a main aspect where, by definition of the latter, any intervening shunt signals must be cleared first. Obviously that requirement doesn't apply to routes from shunt signals, though there could well be some exceptions for various operational reasons I suppose.
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| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 03/12/2010 at 19:15 #12768 | |
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hotwellian
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I obviously didn't make my self clear in my earlier post. The timetable for 5T12 as supplied routes the train to WELWYN REVERSING SIDING (to the south - right on the screen) from here it cannot get to WGC PL 3. It should read WGC DOWN NORTH (REVERSE) where it can get to PL3. This applies to all up trains reversing at WGC PL1 in this timetable. The attachments to this message show the TTs and the layout with markers. (edit) The attachments are not showing, not sure how to add an image on this board. Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 03/12/2010 at 20:11 #12769 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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It may be me mistaking two concepts, but 'preset shunts' sound very much like what we would call running shunts?
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| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 03/12/2010 at 21:05 #12770 | |
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Late Turn
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Yes, preset shunt, running shunt, preceding shunt: all different names for the same thing, if I'm not mistaken. Still not sure what's wrong with a shunt from P1 to P3 via the reversing siding and the flyover! Significantly, that move avoids crossing both fast lines and then stopping to change ends on the Down Slow. Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 03/12/2010 at 23:13 #12774 | |
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UKTrainMan
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hotwellian said:I obviously didn't make my self clear in my earlier post.Perhaps my reply wasn't clear but you can get to Platform 3 from Welwyn Reversing Siding. UKTrainMan said: Shunt Signal 165 -> Shunt Signal 167 -> Shunt Signal 171 -> Signal 605 (Platform 3)and the train gets to Platform 3 without any problems. To clarify the route in simplistic terms, signal 5T12 so that it departs from Welwyn Reversing Siding, goes straight ahead (over the points leading to the Up Slow), carries on straight ahead (over the / points to the through siding) and straight ahead further, around the corner and then (over the | flyover) and around the corner onto the points onto the Down Slow and into Platform 3. I have just run this timetable through and successfully got 5T12 to WelwynGC Platform 3 without any problems. I will now upload an image showing you the route. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 03/12/2010 at 23:55 #12775 | |
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UKTrainMan
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UKTrainMan said:I will now upload an image showing you the route.  you may need to click here to see the image clearer Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Kings Cross 1977 Fictional 04/12/2010 at 15:14 #12777 | |
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hotwellian
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Ah! My own stupidity! I had not thought of the flyover route! Doh! Thanks for the explanation.
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