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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 10:03 #128369
grahamj42
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130 posts 		Each night, I save my position and put my PC (Windows 10 v1909) in hibernation (it's rare that I'm not in the middle of a simulation).

Every morning since the upgrade, I receive the message "Licence has been removed from this machine. Simulation will now end".

It takes a second or two for the wifi to reconnect on wake-up, and I think the loader is timing out too quickly.

It's only a minor annoyance, given that V5 is quicker than V4 at loading.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 10:10 #128371
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4869 posts 		grahamj42 in post 128369 said:
Each night, I save my position and put my PC (Windows 10 v1909) in hibernation (it's rare that I'm not in the middle of a simulation).

Every morning since the upgrade, I receive the message "Licence has been removed from this machine. Simulation will now end".

It takes a second or two for the wifi to reconnect on wake-up, and I think the loader is timing out too quickly.

It's only a minor annoyance, given that V5 is quicker than V4 at loading.
Just a note that this has come up in other threads, Geoff has commented that he will look to see if he can improve things.

On a personal note I must admit I'm surprised at how many people put there computers to sleep rather than a full shut down.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 10:17 #128372
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Online 		headshot119 in post 128371 said:
On a personal note I must admit I'm surprised at how many people put there computers to sleep rather than a full shut down.
Old and crotchety kit takes a while to crank up. We've got a not very modern HP laptop with various bits and pieces bloating the system that takes nearly 5 minutes from pushing the power button until it is properly usable. Some people may be looking to avoid that sort of delay.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 10:26 #128373
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3701 posts 		I'm not suprised that people hybernate rather than shut down but I am suprised programs are left open overnight.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 11:03 #128376
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Online 		I use 'sleep' on my PC which has the same issue. It shuts down and loads much faster and is designed for picking up where I left off. Although I wouldn't leave anything overly resource-hungry running whilst it sleeps, browser and explorer windows and simple apps are exactly what it's designed for, so it's a little frustrating that SimSig is now incompatible with this feature, especially as one of the reasons I leave it open is so I don't need to resize all my windows every time I restart.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 11:07 #128377
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665 posts 		postal in post 128372 said:
headshot119 in post 128371 said:
On a personal note I must admit I'm surprised at how many people put there computers to sleep rather than a full shut down.
Old and crotchety kit takes a while to crank up.
I wouldn't say you're old and crotchety John
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 11:19 #128378
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37 posts 		TimTamToe in post 128377 said:
postal in post 128372 said:
headshot119 in post 128371 said:
On a personal note I must admit I'm surprised at how many people put there computers to sleep rather than a full shut down.
Old and crotchety kit takes a while to crank up.
I wouldn't say you're old and crotchety John ;)
I would........
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 11:23 #128380
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1113 posts 		TimTamToe in post 128377 said:
postal in post 128372 said:
headshot119 in post 128371 said:
On a personal note I must admit I'm surprised at how many people put there computers to sleep rather than a full shut down.
Old and crotchety kit takes a while to crank up.
I wouldn't say you're old and crotchety John ;)
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 12:13 #128389
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130 posts 		On a personal note, I'm surprised how many people shut down their PCs.

Since hibernation first became possible (I never had Windows 95, but it was possible with NT 4 in 1997), I have always hibernated my PC, only rebooting when forced to by software updates.

In the days before SSD, this saved at least 5 minutes a day, so almost a working week par year (I normally connect to work 365 days per year).

I would say that I've not had more than one problem a year due to applications not recovering properly. Even the occasional time when I forget to save a file it's usually possible to save it after waking up.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 12:29 #128392
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268 posts 		I might add that for the majority of people, shutting down Windows 10 does not actually shut it down in the accepted sense of pre-Windows 10 "shutdown"

see https://www.howtogeek.com/349114/shutting-down-doesnt-fully-shut-down-windows-10-but-restarting-it-does/ for more info
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 16:05 #128418
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5419 posts 		jc92 in post 128373 said:
I'm not suprised that people hybernate rather than shut down but I am suprised programs are left open overnight.
I normally have many browser windows open and maybe spreadsheets, whatever that hibernating makes life so much easier to pick up where I left off.

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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 17:48 #128427
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153 posts 		With the older machines using sleep mode saves 5-10 minutes on returning. something you usually want if your not planning to do something that will take a long time anyways. This is how ive always done it with my laptop as i experience problems with chrome when i close it losing all the pages i had open ocasionally.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 28/06/2020 at 21:52 #128467
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Online 		postal in post 128372 said:
headshot119 in post 128371 said:
On a personal note I must admit I'm surprised at how many people put there computers to sleep rather than a full shut down.
Old and crotchety kit takes a while to crank up. We've got a not very modern HP laptop with various bits and pieces bloating the system that takes nearly 5 minutes from pushing the power button until it is properly usable. Some people may be looking to avoid that sort of delay.
I don't want to have to recreate a whole load of context just because there's a power cut or because I'm going on a plane without a power socket. Hibernation means the machine comes back to life just how it was.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 29/06/2020 at 05:01 #128499
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5 posts 		I've just woken my machine from sleep overnight and lost my Birmingham New Street simulation which had reached 0553 which was a little disappointing as I only hourly save. I'll know now not to leave Simsig running.

Overall I am delighted with the V5 changes, well done to all involved.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 29/06/2020 at 06:29 #128502
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6380 posts 		We're working on it, don't worry.
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 29/06/2020 at 10:00 #128508
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Online 		Silverstar in post 128499 said:
I've just woken my machine from sleep overnight and lost my Birmingham New Street simulation which had reached 0553 which was a little disappointing as I only hourly save. I'll know now not to leave Simsig running.

Overall I am delighted with the V5 changes, well done to all involved.
In the meantime, it is possible to save once the message pops up!
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Problem with wake-up from hibernation 29/06/2020 at 10:31 #128509
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1113 posts 		Silverstar in post 128499 said:
I've just woken my machine from sleep overnight and lost my Birmingham New Street simulation which had reached 0553 which was a little disappointing as I only hourly save. I'll know now not to leave Simsig running.

Overall I am delighted with the V5 changes, well done to all involved.
I'd suggest that you reduce you save settings, to say every 10/15/20 mins instead of an hour the save files will vary between 150-250KB per save, hardly taxing for most systems these days
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