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| In a run of automatic signals, why do we have a couple of non-automatics? 02/08/2020 at 07:14 #130291 | |
pedroathome
915 posts |
Giantray in post 130290 said:pedroathome in post 130218 said:I'm sure that Mr Fulcher or someone else will be around to correct me here if I'm wrong, but its not down to the type of signal head, but rather the circuitry for it.'E' Emergency replacements were not lamp proved. The indication in the signal box for these was just to show the button had been operated, there was no proof the signal was actually at danger. 'R' replacements have become more common as the move from old lamp proven signals changes to LED aspect signal heads. These are relied upon to be at danger when replaced and can be used to protect Line Blockages and Engineer's Possessions unlike 'E' replacement auto signals that must not be used. E replacements, as you say, were not lamp repeated back to the box, and I believe that all relay circuits needed for these did not need to be fail safe relays. R replacements however, I assume were aspect fed back to the box, and used relays that would correctly indicate the danger aspect back to the signaller. I believe, but again, could be wrong, that in modern solid state installations, every aspect is repeated back to the box in question. As a point of reference here, Remember, if a relay does not drop, it dosen't matter what kind of signal head the signal is, the relay is still telling the signal to display one aspect, when it should be the other. James Log in to reply |
| In a run of automatic signals, why do we have a couple of non-automatics? 02/08/2020 at 21:26 #130310 | |
MrSuttonmann
265 posts |
Thank you everyone for the insights, it's been a very interesting read and I've learned a lot of new things!
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| In a run of automatic signals, why do we have a couple of non-automatics? 03/08/2020 at 03:46 #130318 | |
GeoffM
6376 posts |
pedroathome in post 130291 said:I believe, but again, could be wrong, that in modern solid state installations, every aspect is repeated back to the box in question.Well, in this case the interlocking is usually in the signal box and calculates all the aspects, and sends the instructions out over the data link. So all it proves is that it tried to liven up bit 7 of telegram 15 and the trackside module indicated that return current was detected, so we hope the red lamp (or components making the light red) was the one plugged in to the right socket... SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| In a run of automatic signals, why do we have a couple of non-automatics? 03/08/2020 at 14:20 #130328 | |
Stephen Fulcher
2080 posts |
pedroathome in post 130291 said:Giantray in post 130290 said:Essentially correct.pedroathome in post 130218 said:I'm sure that Mr Fulcher or someone else will be around to correct me here if I'm wrong, but its not down to the type of signal head, but rather the circuitry for it.'E' Emergency replacements were not lamp proved. The indication in the signal box for these was just to show the button had been operated, there was no proof the signal was actually at danger. 'R' replacements have become more common as the move from old lamp proven signals changes to LED aspect signal heads. These are relied upon to be at danger when replaced and can be used to protect Line Blockages and Engineer's Possessions unlike 'E' replacement auto signals that must not be used. In WR practice the red light on the panel for the E type switch only tells you that the relay on the other end of that circuit still within the panel has dropped away, it bears no relation to the aspect actually displayed by the signal, or indeed if the signal is even lit. The red light for an R switch is more complicated and does prove that the signal on the ground is both at red and lit, subject to the same risks of incorrect wiring etc as Geoff mentions for SSI. Log in to reply |