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| 1991 timetable 05/01/2021 at 22:05 #136024 | |
Albert
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7K79MO0710 and 7K900652 both want to use line 9 at Milford West Sidings on a Monday. Line 8 is free for 7K79MO0710 at this time, so not really a problem. AJP in games Last edited: 05/01/2021 at 22:05 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 08/01/2021 at 16:52 #136113 | |
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Albert
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Albert in post 135959 said:Small issue: The note "Siding 12 is not permissive so the train must be instructed to pass M685 at Danger to attach to the train" has been applied to the wrong 0G02 on Monday. It is on the departing one, 0G02MO580316, instead of the arriving one, 0G02MO0742, where it should be.It appears the shunt route into siding 12 is available after all: see screenshot. This means the note is not needed on the arriving loco either.  And 7K880800 has the wrong stopping position at Knottingley; near rather than far. 6G02MO0829 did not step up past Milford Jn after leaving from siding 12. I didn't test whether this is reproducible. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. AJP in games Last edited: 08/01/2021 at 17:56 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 08/01/2021 at 21:08 #136120 | |
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Albert
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7Z08MO0920: is Milford Down Reception after reversing at M5248 a necessary location? It has to use the Down Normanton instead as the Reception is blocked by 7G01S. AJP in games Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 10/01/2021 at 15:30 #136189 | |
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Albert
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0K76MO1241 is lacking a platform code 2-4 at Milford Down Sidings. I thus put it into siding 1 meaning the rule for 6K76MO1315 was not triggered as it didn't leave the sim. And what is the point of 0K91BV2 joining 6K881312, then immediately detaching as 0K91RR and running round? 6K82MO1426 generates platforming conflicts at Milford West Sidings. AJP in games Last edited: 10/01/2021 at 16:53 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 10/01/2021 at 17:10 #136200 | |
jc92
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0K91BV2 attaches a brake van to the end of 6K88 before running round to the other end to work 6K91 to Allerton bywater. The trains into Allerton Bywater require a brake van as they have to propel down the branch a significant distance. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 10/01/2021 at 17:13 #136201 | |
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jc92
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Albert in post 136120 said:7Z08MO0920: is Milford Down Reception after reversing at M5248 a necessary location?down reception isn't required for that timetable, however 7z08 could also be put through the RR line. Signaller/shunter choice. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 10/01/2021 at 17:23 #136202 | |
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Albert
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Thanks, I had already figured I could use the RR line and did that for later trains. In the case of Allerton, I assume that there is a run-round loop that is some distance away from the actual siding? Trains enter and leave the branch with the loco at the head. (I misrouted one straight to Castleford instead of via Pontefract. It took the route...) There was one loco reversing at Milford M5248 that didn't have position NX marked and thus went on to signal M693 before reversing but I forgot to write down its identity. AJP in games Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 10/01/2021 at 17:41 #136206 | |
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jc92
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No there was no loop at Allerton, hence the requirement to propel. I believe pascal is reworking these trains at some point anyway. Incidentally the next update to the timetable will be a big reworking of both west Yorkshire and York so the coal plans for both sims match up, which will allow a chain between the two. As a result please keep these reports going, however it may be some time before an update is on its way. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 10/01/2021 at 20:11 #136212 | |
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Albert
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Thanks, in that case me routing straight to Castleford was realistic after all as the train would reverse there? A more serious issue: 7K861630MO is missing a DEF: 0K86RRMO. The loco it is to join, isn't formed otherwise. Edit: it appears the activity is there but the UID is mistyped as $0K86RRNO. Apparently the activity is not shown in the TT window if is invalid. AJP in games Last edited: 10/01/2021 at 20:13 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 10/01/2021 at 20:23 #136215 | |
58050
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The West Yorkshire 1991 TT will be overhauled once 0D07 & I have gone through & amended all the trains that go in & come out of Gascoigne Wood Colliery on the York N/S sim. As there will be a myriad of changes to trains ebtering & leaving the colliery which will also impact on MGR traffic heading out towards Milford Jn from Gascoigne Wood Colliery. So watch this space for further announcements. Whilst doing these updates I'm looking at making sure both TTs work in a chain with each other too.
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| 1991 timetable 10/01/2021 at 20:37 #136216 | |
lazzer
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58050 in post 136215 said:The West Yorkshire 1991 TT will be overhauled once 0D07 & I have gone through & amended all the trains that go in & come out of Gascoigne Wood Colliery on the York N/S sim. As there will be a myriad of changes to trains ebtering & leaving the colliery which will also impact on MGR traffic heading out towards Milford Jn from Gascoigne Wood Colliery. So watch this space for further announcements. Whilst doing these updates I'm looking at making sure both TTs work in a chain with each other too.I am very much looking forward to this. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 58050 |
| 1991 timetable 10/01/2021 at 20:48 #136217 | |
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Albert
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Thanks for all the hard work. One further note for today: 7K901715 should have far rather than near end as stopping position at Knottingley. AJP in games Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 58050 |
| 1991 timetable 11/01/2021 at 21:32 #136266 | |
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Albert
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Same goes for 7K921825, so it can change its crew before England Lane LC is lowered. And probably already reported, but the train seeding in Sudforth Lane Up Siding on Monday drops off 6K951414, which does not move because its loco is MFX. AJP in games Last edited: 11/01/2021 at 21:35 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 58050 |
| 1991 timetable 11/01/2021 at 22:38 #136269 | |
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58050
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Albert keep posting things you find with the West Yorkshire 1991 TT. So once 0D07 & I have finished with Gascoigne Wood on York N/S we'll then update this TT. There will be another 18 trains to add to this TT as well.
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| 1991 timetable 12/01/2021 at 19:56 #136314 | |
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Albert
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6K88S seeding in the Prince of Wales down siding does not leave enough space for the loco to join. It can be reversed back into the siding after attaching the loco; it appears that it just fits.
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| 1991 timetable 12/01/2021 at 20:04 #136318 | |
postal
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Albert in post 136314 said:6K88S seeding in the Prince of Wales down siding does not leave enough space for the loco to join. It can be reversed back into the siding after attaching the loco; it appears that it just fits.If the seed point for the unpowered consist is behind a signal there is a gap (by default 15m.) between the signal and the train. This can be adjusted up or down in the train TT so maybe a seeding gap of 25m. might be more appropriate. Conversely if the seeding of the consist is positioned from the other end of the Sdg. then the gap could be reduced to free up space at the loco end. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Last edited: 12/01/2021 at 20:05 by postal Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 12/01/2021 at 20:22 #136321 | |
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Albert
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The seeding gap is set to 20 and the loco is 19m. Nevertheless it does not fit even after joining is finished. There appear to be only a few metres left at the end of the siding so maybe it is not possible to seed 20m ahead of the signal? Edit: 7K931932 is the next victim of the incorrect stopping position at Knottingley. AJP in games Last edited: 12/01/2021 at 20:23 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 12/01/2021 at 21:12 #136326 | |
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postal
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Albert in post 136321 said:The seeding gap is set to 20 and the loco is 19m. Nevertheless it does not fit even after joining is finished.Have you tried reducing the seeding gap in case it is being measured from the other end of the train? “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 13/01/2021 at 20:22 #136387 | |
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Albert
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I haven't experimented with that yet. I just had a train enter whose headcode is 2036 (yes, you read that right, with a zero instead of an O). Its UID is 4M77. I have the idea that these were switched around by mistake as the train is due to enter at 20:36. And not sure whether you want to prevent it or not, but it is possible to get two trains with the same headcode in Sudforth Lane at a time: 6K832059 and 6K83FSX1855. AJP in games Last edited: 13/01/2021 at 20:27 by Albert Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 14/01/2021 at 19:27 #136423 | |
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Albert
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7G021030 has two joins in it (with decisions for the loco class - 56 or 58); the joining activity for the class 58 has the wrong decision code in it (6G01 instead of 6G02).
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| 1991 timetable 16/01/2021 at 09:48 #136442 | |
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Albert
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As you might have guessed from the late trains I mentioned in the last few posts, I have run through the whole Monday timetable by now. The late coal trains (past 21h or 22h, or something like that) to Drax and Eggborough have no stopping position defined at all in Knottingley, meaning they'll stop correctly at the far end in platform 2 but at the near end in platform 1. (I find this a weird default value because online maps indicate the stairs connecting the platforms are more or less at the east end.) AJP in games Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 18/01/2021 at 18:30 #136574 | |
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Albert
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At the end of the Monday timetable, there are only three trains in Milford yard (6K85, 6K89 and 7K86, of which 6K85 is a set of empties without loco). However, on the start of the Tuesday timetable there are 10 of them in the sidings. Are there some late movements to/from Milford yard missing, especially workings to return sets of empty wagons to sidings 1-6?
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| 1991 timetable 19/01/2021 at 17:42 #136609 | |
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Albert
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0G02MX580316 has the same note about siding 12 not being permissive attached, while it neither comes from nor goes to siding 12.
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| 1991 timetable 20/01/2021 at 14:59 #136638 | |
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58050
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Albert in post 136574 said:At the end of the Monday timetable, there are only three trains in Milford yard (6K85, 6K89 and 7K86, of which 6K85 is a set of empties without loco). However, on the start of the Tuesday timetable there are 10 of them in the sidings. Are there some late movements to/from Milford yard missing, especially workings to return sets of empty wagons to sidings 1-6?This would be almost impossible to fix for a few reasons which I'll attempt to list below:- 1. Firstly the MGR coal plan used & what this 1991 TT is based on is what was put into the TT. What you need to bear in mind is this TT is predominantly an MGR TT & as such could change at the drop of a hat. MGR traffic is unlike any other freight traffic. Inso much as only a handful of MGR trains that appear in the TT are in effect WTT services. These are predominently Alnglo-Scottish MGR trains that run from York Yard North through the area bound for Ratcliffe power station. The MGR traffic that runs to Drax, Ferrybridge & or Eggborough power stations are in effect trip workings for the want of a better word. 2. Secondly the MGR Coal Plan was only valid for 1 week. The coal orders would be recieved from the CEGB & as such this would be passed onto the Collieries to see how coal they would be able to produce for that week. Then a MGR coal plan was drawn up by the coal planners. Therefore it would only be valid for that 1 week. Obviously the Control office covering the Aire Valley would in effect change the MGR sets on an as required basis to fit the traffic demands on an hourly basis. So you see at the start of everyday Milford Sdgs would be full as I had to start somewhere, but by the ends of the day as it shows in the sim the coal sets don't return to Milford Sdgs so at the end of the day sets could be anywhere in the area. It's an almost impossible thing to do rolling over from one day to another as the MGR coal plan doesn't show what it does on each individual day. The worksings are listed as EWD, or MO/MX or show other days of the week that particular set does or doesn't work in that particular day in that area. MGR sets are pretty much all the same, they usually contain 36 wagons. A set could start on Monday morning in Milford Sdgs, then go & load at Gascoigne Wood before taking a trip to Eggborough or Drax power stations. They could do that all day or then be sent to another colliery to load & on there return could end up going off panel towards the Doncaster area to go forward towards Worksop for High Marnham, Cottam or West Burton power stations & that set may not return to Milford Sdgs for several days. So you see its very difficult to TT trains back to Milford Sdgs to fill the place up at the end of the day if the coal plan shows something else. MGR traffic isn't the same as booked WTT freight traffic in the sense of block steel trains or block oil trains where you get for evey loaded train out you get a corresponding empty train back. Some MGR sets could start there working week in Scotland or the North East of England, but a day or 2 later they could be working in circuits in a completely different part of the country. Bear in mind that the fleet of MGR coal wagons was vast & as such out-numbered bogie tank wagons or bofie steel carriers or pretty much anyother type of freight wagon. Log in to reply |
| 1991 timetable 05/04/2021 at 08:26 #138375 | |
bugsy
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58050 in post 118044 said:geswedey in post 118030 said:Mmmm.....58050 in post 118026 said:Well done personally speaking I've only ever run through this timetable whilstKev & I were testing it & that involved 2 or 3 of us. I've never actually gone through the whole timetable on my own, but similarly I wouldn't have the level crossings active as it gets unmanageable at times.I'll take a look at that tonight. Edits will be made where necessary & hopefully an updated TT will be made in a few days.Managed the timetable twice now on my own, if it gets hectic, I cheat and slow down until sort I myself out, needless to say I don't enable the LCs I've been reading through some of the West Yorkshire posts looking at the issues that have been reported and came across this one above. I recently started this timetable and have got as far as 04:50 without any problems but, not having ticked the box to disable level crossings, I'm beginning to wonder if I may have bitten off more than I can chew judging by some of the comments. So, should I start again with the crossings disabled do you think? Advice welcome 
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