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| TT Validation with Decisions 05/10/2023 at 18:48 #153527 | |
9pN1SEAp
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Hi, The TT Analyse function in F4 can throw up errors if you have added new choices to a decision since the start of the game session. E.g. 6H50/$H396418[490.1]: Entry choice H396418 excludes all choices I've only just added this choice and I know I'll have to re-open the sim for it to validate. Could the relevant code be updated so that new decisions are fed into the validator please? :) Thanks! Jamie Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 05/10/2023 at 19:01 #153528 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
You'll need to provide more information for us to work out what you are actually doing here. Are you adding Decisions and Choices while the clock is running? "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 05/10/2023 at 19:30 #153529 | |
postal
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Similar thoughts about the Decisions display not updating in real time as Mantis #19827. Clive has added it to his master Decisions ticket (#31243). Presumably this behaviour would be linked to that earlier report. “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply The following user said thank you: 9pN1SEAp |
| TT Validation with Decisions 05/10/2023 at 20:43 #153534 | |
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headshot119
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postal in post 153529 said:Similar thoughts about the Decisions display not updating in real time as Mantis #19827. Clive has added it to his master Decisions ticket (#31243).Mantis 19827 is to do with the display of decision in F4 though, rather than the analyser. Without some steps to reproduce from Jamie it's impossible to say whether it's related, or whether it needs to be logged as a separate issue. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 06/10/2023 at 08:52 #153538 | |
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9pN1SEAp
1180 posts |
In this case the game was loaded up paused with the TT at 00:00. A choice was added to an existing decision and the choice was then added to a Timetable entry. The choice was shown as invalid in the analyzer but upon re-opening the sim it validated correctly. Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 06/10/2023 at 17:10 #153542 | |
bill_gensheet
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This sounds familiar and seems fixed on the test version of Loader I have. The decision edits now show up live (ie click back onto open TT_analysis.txt window) and does not need a cycle through save TT - new sim - load TT back - F4 - analyse. Back to 5.26 and the problem reappears Last edited: 06/10/2023 at 17:11 by bill_gensheet Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 06/10/2023 at 18:49 #153543 | |
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headshot119
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9pN1SEAp in post 153538 said:In this case the game was loaded up paused with the TT at 00:00. A choice was added to an existing decision and the choice was then added to a Timetable entry.I've just opened Crewe, Crewe 2015-04-08 SX [0000 Seed], Version 1.2. Started Paused. I've edited the Decision "Aberthaw Cement Works Lafarge 6M83" to have an extra Choice "test999" I've then given 1D19 which enters at "Madeley (Staffs) (FL) at 0002, the Decision "Aberthaw Cement Works Lafarge 6M83" Choice "test999". I don't get any warnings or errors on the analyser after doing this. 6C89 which enters "Basford Hall Group D-G (Old) Sidings, has the Decision "Mountsorrel 6C89" Choice "H23008", I've added Choice "test123" to the Decision, and edited 6C89 to use that choice, I don't get any warnings or errors on the analyser. Have you got a reproduceable case, I appreciate you won't be able to upload a timetable that shows it as you say it cures after a restart, but a barebones timetable, with instructions on what to add and where might help track it down. Another tester that looked at this yesterday added it might be caused by :-fo "1) Not made the new decision used under the decision tab 2) Made a new decision and not entered the choice under the decision tab 3) Made a new decision and entered the choice but entered it incorrectly ie used for example h in one and H in the other, cases MUST match 4) Used an existing decision but not added the choice needed to use to the decision." Edit to add, all of this was on 5.26 of the loader, a check of version control confirms no changes have taken place to the analyser since 5.26 was released. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Last edited: 06/10/2023 at 19:00 by headshot119 Reason: Edit version info Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 07/10/2023 at 11:25 #153546 | |
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bill_gensheet
1413 posts |
Feel free to split if this is not the issue Jamie sees. Load Wolverhampton with TT "test 4B06 errors" >> Starts paused at 18:55 no trains in sim >> Deliberate error 4B06 has decision [any] 1|3, but decision only has choices 1,2,4,5. F4 Tools1 Analyse now >> reports error 0Z00/$LE1G62: decision 'vans' choice '3' does not exist >> Correct Keep analysis window open Edit 'vans' decision Edit choice 4 rename 4 to 3 OK OK Click on analysis window >> No change, reports error 0Z00/$LE1G62: decision 'vans' choice '3' does not exist >> now wrong Close analysis window Tools1 Analyse now >> No change, reports error 0Z00/$LE1G62: decision 'vans' choice '3' does not exist Close analysis window OK Timetable edit window F4 Tools1 Analyse now >> No change, reports error 0Z00/$LE1G62: decision 'vans' choice '3' does not exist Save TT as "test 4B06 errors fixed" Exit Restart new simulation, run Wolverhampton with saved TT "test 4B06 errors fixed" F4 Tools1 Analyse now >> Different set of warnings based on choice vans=3 >> Correct Keep analysis window open Edit 0Z00 to run choice 1 only Click on analysis window >> Analysis window updates and is now clean ===================== So timetable edits are (now ?) checked dynamically, and (some ?) decision edits are not. Variability explains why I thought 5.26.02 was better. For the exact above sequence, 5.26.02 is the same. For the exact above sequence, 5.26.12 is the same. Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Last edited: 07/10/2023 at 11:41 by bill_gensheet Reason: Add 5.26.12 Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 07/10/2023 at 14:51 #153547 | |
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headshot119
4869 posts |
The warning you're reporting "0Z00/$LE1G62: decision 'vans' choice '3' does not exist" is entirely different to what 9pN1SEAp reports in the opening post "6H50/$H396418[490.1]: Entry choice H396418 excludes all choices". That's why I've asked the original poster for further information. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 07/10/2023 at 17:22 #153550 | |
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bill_gensheet
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It is the same bug - (or something we have to live with due to how decisions work) changes to decisions are not dynamically re-evaluated when editing. Jamie post is 'e.g.' so seemed fair to produce with a different decision error However if you want a timetable that creates exactly the same error phrase ..... Load Wolverhampton with TT "test 4B06 errors v2" >> Starts paused at 18:55 no trains in sim >> Deliberate error 4B06 has decision vans 3, but decision only has choices 1,2,4,5. F4 Tools1 Analyse now >> reports error 4B06: Entry choice '3' excludes all choices >> Also some warnings including >> 4B06: decision 'vans' choice '3' does not exist >> Correct Keep analysis window open Edit 'vans' decision Edit choice 4 rename 4 to 3 OK OK Click on analysis window >> No change, same reports >> now wrong Close analysis window Tools1 Analyse now >> No change, same reports Close analysis window OK Timetable edit window F4 Tools1 Analyse now >> No change, same reports Screenshot, showing decision 3 exists whilst analysis says it does not. Save TT as "test 4B06 errors v2 fixed" Exit Restart new simulation, run Wolverhampton with saved TT "test 4B06 errors v2 fixed" F4 Tools1 Analyse now >> No error, different set of warnings based on choice vans (1,2,5) >> Correct Keep analysis window open Edit 0Z00 to run choice 3 only Click on analysis window >> Analysis window updates and is now clean  Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 09/10/2023 at 11:22 #153569 | |
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clive
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bill_gensheet in post 153546 said:I'm still looking into the rest of it, but I can explain this bit. Very simply, the analysis window is a report, not an active status window. It tells you what was found when you ran the analyzer. If you run it again, the contents will be overwritten. But it does not attempt to track the effects of each change you make to the timetable (to do so would take a lot of CPU time with a big timetable). So that's right, not wrong. This doesn't explain the rest of your observations, I know. As I said, I'm looking into that. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: bill_gensheet |
| TT Validation with Decisions 10/10/2023 at 12:14 #153577 | |
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clive
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clive in post 153569 said:Okay, I've worked out what's happening. It's too embarrassing to put on the forum, but it will be easy to fix when I get a moment. Mantis 39556. Log in to reply |
| TT Validation with Decisions 10/10/2023 at 21:43 #153592 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
Both Mantis 39556 and Mantis 19827 fixed.
Last edited: 10/10/2023 at 21:43 by clive Reason: None given Log in to reply The following users said thank you: 9pN1SEAp, postal, bill_gensheet |
| TT Validation with Decisions 17/10/2023 at 18:22 #153692 | |
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9pN1SEAp
1180 posts |
OK I managed to replicate the error I saw, at last! I edited 6E99 and renamed choice "6E99" to "6E991". I then renamed the choice in the decision box and added new choice "6E992", then ran validator to get the attached errors. Attached is before and after change (which will validate happily on reload!) Thanks Jamie  Post has attachments. Log in to view them. Jamie S (JAMS) Log in to reply |