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Doncaster Station Autumn 2004 28/10/2024 at 11:01 #158990
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370 posts 		This thread is to report any issues with my Doncaster Station Autumn 2004 Timetable.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 28/10/2024 at 16:20 #158996
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189 posts 		Runround at St Catherines Loop for 7M18 (0M18) is in wrong order, so RR engine disappears off to Maltby/Firbeck Jct.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 28/10/2024 at 18:13 #159000
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370 posts 		I've tried swapping them round but it's still the same. The way to do it is manually reverse so that they head towards Maltby and then manually reverse again once they've passed the first signal back towards St Catherines Loops. Then signal in the opposite direction to get them to the right end of the train. Let me know of any others though please. If I remember rightly 0M18 is trying to go the other way towards Low Ellers when in fact it is supposed to go towards Maltby. Just manually reverse and it will go towards Maltby. In fact most of the Runrounds at St Catherines Loops seem to have this issue and the only way to get them to stop is to manually reverse them so that they come back off the single line. Not sure if this is an issue with the sim. Once they come back up to Low Ellers they seem to behave normally.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 28/10/2024 at 18:44 #159001
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5302 posts 		The Manual (https://www.SimSig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=simulations:Doncaster:DoncasterStation) says:

St. Catherines

When running around at St. Catherines Loops, the headcode 0S00 (zero-S-zero-zero; means the train is performing shunting moves) should be interposed at D218/D220 before requesting the slot to Maltby. When the loco passes D218/D220 the description 0S00 will step to Maltby, who will eventually clear out that berth so you do not need to take any action.

Does that sort things?
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 28/10/2024 at 18:48 #159002
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370 posts 		Was just reading that. So should I change all the headcodes for the runrounds to 0S00 ? Have now included this note in the TT's notes. In fact Maltby will clear whatever headcode you put in when it moves to the single line and then back towards St Catherines. I will try the D229 reversing point instead
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 28/10/2024 at 19:08 #159003
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91 posts 		Evening,

If you show D229 signal in the timing locations for a reversing movement that should sort the problem.

I Downloaded the TT over the weekend and congratulation's on tackling panels 2 and 3, Didn't get much time to have a go on the TT.

One thing I noticed was your consists for the RES Trains are wrong none of he ECML trains ran with PCV's and a lot of the trains was hauled by AC Electric locos, consult with outlets like Flickr or Sumgmug you can see what the trains are made up. All the steel trains I have seen have a generic 18 JSA's Well to be fair while some JSA's did go through to Immmingham and Hull the stuff from Scunthorpe would have been made up of BBA, BAA, BDA, BMA, BNA, SPA & alike. You have got 6D97 in Down Decoy this despite what the WTT started from Belmont Yard its inward working would also terminate at Belmont this mainly made up of IGA wagons that would be coming empty from Hyange in France after delivering slabs from Scunthorpe Steel Works.

5C96 this ECS move and it is shown in the WTT/TRUST ran via Applehurst Jn and Skellow and Adwick to maintain Doncaster Traincrew route knowledge on that route, also the unts would stable in the platforms and not the C.S. they would shunt out of places like Platform 2 to form 2J91 and such to Selby or they would shunt across into West Yard depending what the ops department needed owing to engineering works.

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Doncaster Autumn 2004 28/10/2024 at 19:18 #159004
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370 posts 		I have the Royal Mail document for the mail trains and those formations are what is shown in there. Doubt there would be AC loco's on the trains coming in from and going on towards Sheffield being no wires so they must be 67's.PCV's appear on all of them apart from the 325's. Can change the steel trains no problem.6D97 I;m wondering if I put it in Down Decoy as it would have run round there (or maybe not) before the start of the TT. Wonder if 5C96 is a printing error then which wouldn't be unusual as I remember from my time in Train Planning at Swindon. However if you have info to the contrary then I'll change them. Will change the steel trains tomorrow when I have more time and use your suggestions. Thanks for the info
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 28/10/2024 at 19:35 #159006
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3701 posts 		To be fair, regarding belmont and down decoy, a lot of stuff uses one or the other as required ignoring the schedule even today.

You sometimes get weekend ballast booked out of Woodyard that's been dumped in belmont and starts there instead with no schedule change in trust. Vice versa as well.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 28/10/2024 at 22:14 #159008
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91 posts 		Evening,

I have the RES Train service Guides and the formations are wrong and the Electrically Hauled trains Trains was 1M51, 1M19, 1E47, 1V28, 1V69 (Latter 2 to Doncaster RMT for a Diesel forward) 1E43 Leccy from Doncaster. 325's was 1M78, 1S04, 1M19, 1E35, 5M35. PCV's did not appear on any of the ECML trains as they never needed to propel any place a NE-SW service would have a change of traction or run round at the Royal Mail Terminal so id check the information again that you have. The RES Train Service Guides show both the 325 and all the mail van diagrams.

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Doncaster Autumn 2004 29/10/2024 at 09:06 #159011
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370 posts 		Ok I'll check the TSG again and change where necessary. Will crack on with all the changes today and put out an amended version today or tomorrow
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 29/10/2024 at 11:33 #159014
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721 posts 		In my playthrough, 7N08 has spawned in Up Decoy Siding 4 and isn't due to depart until 0955 - but this then blocks access from Low Ellers Curve to points north (including 0E54 which requires access to the LIP after a reversal at St Catherines Loops) as siding 4 is the only one capable of setting a route in the down direction
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 29/10/2024 at 12:56 #159015
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370 posts 		You should use Up Goods Siding 1 for all LIP moves at the Up end as it says in the notes. 7N08 must spawn there as it shows departing Up Decoy at said time. Unless I add a shunt move from the Railport for later in the morning to get in to US4 or maybe spawn it in the transfer road. 7N08 now spawns at D1439 Transfer Road instead. This will free up US4 for moves on and off the LIP. Will alter notes accordingly
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 29/10/2024 at 14:00 #159016
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5302 posts 		moonraker in post 159011 said:
Ok I'll check the TSG again and change where necessary. Will crack on with all the changes today and put out an amended version today or tomorrow
A digression into the Royal Mail train formations. IIRC the PCVs were only in the formations for the trains arriving from the GWML which reversed from Kensal Rise into PRDC, Willesden. From the GWML controlled from the PCV reversing from Kensal Rise to PRDC. From PRDC, loco on rear and reversed up to Kensal Rise controlled from the PCV then change direction at Kensal Rise and loco-hauled forward. I think they only had brake controls in the PCV but I am not sure what the system was to get the driver to apply and cut off power.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 29/10/2024 at 14:29 #159017
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370 posts 		Yes I think you're right. The controls in the PCV were braking only. The power handle only indicated to the driver in the loco to add or take off power. Have now changed all the Loco hauled mail trains to just vans with no PCV's but I will need to check on the formations.

Ok changes done today -

6D97 changed to depart from Belmont Yard instead of Down Decoy and now formed of IGA Cargowagons

5C96 now enters from Adwick Jcn and terminates in Platform 7 to form 2J91

Steel trains all now changed to mixed wagon types as can be seen in the descriptions and train types - Thanks to 0D07 for the heads up

To do - Check all mail train formations. Have already removed PCV's from Loco hauled services

All Loco R/R's at St Catherines Loops towards Maltby now have D229 set as reversal point

7N08 now spawns at D1437 Up Decoy Transfer Road so that Up Siding 4 can now be used for movements to and from the L I P in the up direction
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 30/10/2024 at 06:57 #159021
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121 posts 		Quote:
7N08 now spawns at D1437 Up Decoy Transfer Road so that Up Siding 4 can now be used for movements to and from the L I P in the up direction
Yesterday in the evening I had a conflicting movement because of that, but I've set the points towards US1 and asked for the RP slot. RP gave it briefly, and the loco went down on the US1 happily, then called me from UDYSTOP or something similar virtual signal for advice. I've locked the points to the LIP and gave them a go, problem solved, everything is happy
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 30/10/2024 at 08:31 #159023
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370 posts 		Yes that was a bit awkward. Fixed in the new version so should be much easier now. Should have thought that one out a bit more. Will try to get the updated version out today
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 30/10/2024 at 20:03 #159031
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121 posts 		One more thing, I've noted after playing this TT for some time now.

Why did you set all stations stop to "set down only"?
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 31/10/2024 at 11:44 #159035
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370 posts 		Where there are booked stops you don't want trains leaving early. I thought that was the purpose of it or maybe I'm wrong
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 31/10/2024 at 12:09 #159036
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Online 		moonraker in post 159035 said:
Where there are booked stops you don't want trains leaving early. I thought that was the purpose of it or maybe I'm wrong
Set down only means once the train has set the passengers down it would be free to leave. If you want a train to wait for booked time you can just have set down no, or set down wait for time.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 31/10/2024 at 12:39 #159037
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3998 posts 		eps125 in post 159036 said:
moonraker in post 159035 said:
Where there are booked stops you don't want trains leaving early. I thought that was the purpose of it or maybe I'm wrong
Set down only means once the train has set the passengers down it would be free to leave. If you want a train to wait for booked time you can just have set down no, or set down wait for time.
Looking at the timetable, "Moonraker" has selected the 'Wait for time' option from the set down list.

While this will ensure the train waits for its booked departure time, it isn't necessary to select this for passenger trains- you can leave it set at the default 'No' option and they will wait until their booked time. The option is there as an override for freight trains, which by default might leave early.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 31/10/2024 at 12:49 #159038
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370 posts 		Many thanks. Ok I'll take the set down only out for the passenger trains then. I have used it for all freight trains with booked stops in loops and goods lines.

Will delay update for now as making a few tweaks here and there. Some updated info re mail trains also needs to be done plus a few other bits and pieces. Rest assured it will get done soon
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 31/10/2024 at 14:03 #159040
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3998 posts 		moonraker in post 159038 said:
I have used it for all freight trains with booked stops in loops and goods lines.
For stops in loops or at junctions that are purely for other trains to pass, the 'Regulating stop' is more appropriate than 'wait for time'. This will allow the train to depart as soon as it's given a clear signal (or not stop at all if given a clear road), as would happen in real life.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 31/10/2024 at 17:19 #159042
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5302 posts 		IIRC only Class 1,2 and 5 trains wait for booked time by default but may depart early if set-down only is selected (although sometimes they will wait for time even with that selection). All other classes will randomly depart any time after the dwell time has completed up to the booked departure time.

For the Class 1 mails and postals there are certain places where the wait for time (or full dwell time if running late) would be strictly enforced and other places where the train would be allowed to move as soon as the mail duties had been completed. It is not a one-size-fits-all.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 07/11/2024 at 10:18 #159080
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114 posts 		Will these updates appear automatically as its been downloaded or do you have to delete and download it again once done?

Big fan of timetables that allow you to run freight and ECS moves early.
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Doncaster Autumn 2004 07/11/2024 at 11:21 #159081
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370 posts 		The original version has now been taken off the TT Section on the launcher. Not sure why. If someone can tell me what I should do to put an updated version on for inclusion I'd love to know. Otherwise I am happy to send via e-mail
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