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| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? 09/02/2025 at 18:54 #160140 | |
Hoggorm
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Hello, I have this train with a technical issue at Stonebride Park (direction towards Watford Junction). It has reported that it will take approximately 40 minutes to solve the issue. Is there any way to let other trains pass or must they patiently wait for this failed train? Log in to reply |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? 09/02/2025 at 19:40 #160141 | |
Steamer
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Nothing you can do to work round it. You can simulate Bakerloo trains being turned round at Queens Park by interposing 'SHUT' at signal 13; trains from the Bakerloo line will be cancelled until this is removed. Euston services can be turned round at Willesden Jn and Harrow and Wealdstone; use the F2 Edit Timetable and Run to Another Timetable commands for this.
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| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? 09/02/2025 at 19:49 #160142 | |
clive
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Is it at the station or beyond the points. If it's beyond the points you can turn Bakerloo trains into the depot. Apart from that, Steamer's got it right. At Harrow, it's probably faster to reverse trains at the crossover rather than taking them into the siding.
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| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 07:33 #160146 | |
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Hoggorm
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Steamer in post 160141 said:Nothing you can do to work round it. You can simulate Bakerloo trains being turned round at Queens Park by interposing 'SHUT' at signal 13; trains from the Bakerloo line will be cancelled until this is removed. Euston services can be turned round at Willesden Jn and Harrow and Wealdstone; use the F2 Edit Timetable and Run to Another Timetable commands for this.Is this how it will be dealt with in real life? What will this do to the scoring? I ended up doing nothing. So there was delays for a long time. I called all the underground trains that reverse at Harrow and Wealdstone when they were in the Harrow siding. I then asked them to shunt forward to quickly get them going again. I lost a lot of "Other points" doing this for some reason... On the topic of points: Why do I loose points for setting routes before the train signal its TRTS? Last edited: Yesterday at 07:38 by Hoggorm Reason: None given Log in to reply |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 07:35 #160147 | |
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Hoggorm
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clive in post 160142 said:Is it at the station or beyond the points. If it's beyond the points you can turn Bakerloo trains into the depot. Apart from that, Steamer's got it right. At Harrow, it's probably faster to reverse trains at the crossover rather than taking them into the siding.This is at the station so it is not possible to use the train depot... Log in to reply |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 08:12 #160148 | |
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clive
2808 posts |
Hoggorm in post 160146 said:Steamer in post 160141 said:Probably. It's tempting to run Down/Northbound trains wrong-road from Willesden to Harrow. However, Underground trains are fitted with tripcocks and so, I think, are the Lioness Line trains. That means you can't run wrong-road on lines not signalled for it without back-tripping the train at every signal (that's not currently simulated and I don't think it would be worth the effort). By the time you've got one or two trains through that, the problem will probably have been fixed.Nothing you can do to work round it. You can simulate Bakerloo trains being turned round at Queens Park by interposing 'SHUT' at signal 13; trains from the Bakerloo line will be cancelled until this is removed. Euston services can be turned round at Willesden Jn and Harrow and Wealdstone; use the F2 Edit Timetable and Run to Another Timetable commands for this.Is this how it will be dealt with in real life? Hoggorm in post 160146 said: Massacre it. Just think of it as one of those days. Hoggorm in post 160146 said: Because it says in (IIRC) the Sectional Appendix that signallers shall not set these routes until the train gives TRTS. Last edited: Yesterday at 08:13 by clive Reason: None given Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Hoggorm |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 11:00 #160150 | |
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kbarber
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Hoggorm in post 160146 said:Steamer in post 160141 said:Nothing you can do to work round it. You can simulate Bakerloo trains being turned round at Queens Park by interposing 'SHUT' at signal 13; trains from the Bakerloo line will be cancelled until this is removed. Euston services can be turned round at Willesden Jn and Harrow and Wealdstone; use the F2 Edit Timetable and Run to Another Timetable commands for this.Is this how it will be dealt with in real life? Scoring doesn't exist in real life. The unfortunate bobby has quite enough hassle without worrying about the points totting up. As Clive says, you just have to accept it's one of those days. Hoggorm in post 160146 said: I ended up doing nothing. So there was delays for a long time. I called all the underground trains that reverse at Harrow and Wealdstone when they were in the Harrow siding. I then asked them to shunt forward to quickly get them going again. I lost a lot of "Other points" doing this for some reason... That's probably what you would be criticised for in real life. A real life signalman wouldn't have access to much of the train control facilities of Simsig. Normally Control would decide where to turn trains and what descriptions they should pick up for their return journeys. These days, they'd pass that information direct to drivers by radio (and get direct information about issues such as a driver getting close to needing relief for PNB or maximum driving hours), afterwards simply telling the bobby where to turn trains ans what headcodes to use. In times past the signalman would have been the channel for much of that information - so a lot of telephone work - but, again, wouldn't have to work out for themself what each terminating train should form as a back working. Either way, the task would be to run as many trains as possible as close to right time as possible on the bit of railway that did remain open. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Hoggorm |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 11:09 #160151 | |
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Jan
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Hoggorm in post 160146 said:I then asked them to shunt forward to quickly get them going again. Which can be a bit of cheating, though, because a certain amount of time is needed for the driver to change ends (shut down the original cab, walk through the train, set up the new cab). The time trains take to reverse in Simsig is usually intended to model that. You can instead try to save some time by reversing trains directly in the platform (either edit the timetable of the train so the "next train" action skips the reversal move and directly changes to the timetable of the passenger run, or manually change the timetable of the train once it has left Kenton and is approaching Harrow), though that has its own set of issues, because it'll likely confuse some passengers and also blocks the northbound line for longer. Two million people attempt to use Birmingham's magnificent rail network every year, with just over a million of them managing to get further than Smethwick. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Hoggorm |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 12:59 #160152 | |
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Steamer
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Hoggorm in post 160146 said:Steamer in post 160141 said:Hopefully our resident LUL controller will comment, but bear in mind that unlike SimSig there's a finite number of trains available. If you just queued everything you'd end up with big gaps in the southbound Bakerloo service. Bakerloo control would prioritise keeping the core of the line running as close to normal frequency as possible. There's no slack at the south end of the line to sort things out, any major disruption needs to be sorted out at the north end.Nothing you can do to work round it. You can simulate Bakerloo trains being turned round at Queens Park by interposing 'SHUT' at signal 13; trains from the Bakerloo line will be cancelled until this is removed. Euston services can be turned round at Willesden Jn and Harrow and Wealdstone; use the F2 Edit Timetable and Run to Another Timetable commands for this.Is this how it will be dealt with in real life? "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Hoggorm |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 13:19 #160153 | |
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TUT
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clive in post 160148 said:Because it says in (IIRC) the Sectional Appendix that signallers shall not set these routes until the train gives TRTS.I don't think it's in the current issue of the Sectional Appendix (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/industry-and-commercial/information-for-operators/national-electronic-sectional-appendix/) but it strikes me as a very plausible Signal Box Special Instruction. It's quite common to wait for TRTS and automation is usually set up to do the same. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Hoggorm |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 15:49 #160154 | |
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clive
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Sorry, yes, it's in the SBSI. See the sim manual -> Operating Notes -> TRTS. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Hoggorm |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 17:48 #160156 | |
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metcontrol
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Steamer in post 160152 said:Not sure if you meant me, but hopefully I'll do for now lol. It is pretty standard these days for any issue north of Queen's Park to mean the Bakerloo is suspended north of there. This allows Network Rail to clear up whatever is occurring, and also protects the rest of the line. In the initial stages of any such shutdown, they also try to get any stranded Bakerloo trains back to LUL property. Ultimately, any train north of Queen's Park comes under NR rules and procedures. A similar situation occurs on the Richmond branch of the District Line. Is it a Bakerloo train or "one of theirs?" Log in to reply The following users said thank you: Steamer, Hoggorm |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Yesterday at 22:11 #160157 | |
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Hoggorm
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Thank you all! Regarding the points I feel that is a measure of how I'm doing. I try to keep it as high as possible, but I realize that more experienced users of SimSig more or less ignores it? Log in to reply |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Today at 01:57 #160158 | |
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JamesN
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Indeed! The score is a measure of how well the service is going - many things that factor into it are out of my control, so I tend to not lose too much sleep over the individual points. The numbers I am interested in is signals replaced with trains approaching, and wrong routes given; as they ARE my doing and should really both be zero. Log in to reply |
| Train with technical issue. Is there any way to route trains past it? Today at 14:22 #160161 | |
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metcontrol
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The times I've started a sim with really good intentions, run things as best I can. Then things start to fall apart, and eventually an attitude of "Well at least I tried, but oh well..." The similarities with my day job are startling ;-) Log in to reply |