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| RETB Single line working 09/02/2013 at 22:39 #41377 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
I've just dug out, and had a read through a copy of the drivers handbook issued by NXEA, and a similar publication by ATW. Both make several strongly worded references to not requesting, or handing back a token until the train has been brought to a stand.
"Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply |
| RETB Single line working 10/02/2013 at 01:33 #41379 | |
Danny252
1461 posts |
I'd have thought at least part of the reason is that they'd need to be fiddling about with the radio/pressing buttons (am I right to think RETB required the driver to hold down to receive the token?).
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| RETB Single line working 10/02/2013 at 05:06 #41383 | |
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Hooverman
306 posts |
This should provide some light reading lol :-) http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Railway_Group_Standards/Control%20Command%20and%20Signalling/Guidance%20Notes/GKGN0554%20Iss%201.pdf Log in to reply |
| RETB Single line working 10/02/2013 at 07:14 #41384 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
2080 posts |
Also have to be in verbal communication with the Signaller, which is frowned upon with a moving train as well. A lot of the time with electric tokens (physical ones) these days they do not use the old-fashioned carriers, especially for passenger trains, so there would be no easy way of exchanging one on the move. Also to consider is there is only the driver so if the box is on the right hand side of the train when moving forwards, the Driver will also have to leave his seat. Log in to reply |
| RETB Single line working 10/02/2013 at 13:54 #41387 | |
DriverCurran
688 posts |
" said:" said:John, As the person who first mentioned the 'S' word I brought that into it as a direct response to the original post to show the result of doing what JC92 thought might be an authorised action in relation to RETB working.on the subject of RETB, can anyone clarify if stopping at a TEP is compulsory, or with a short enough train, can a driver creep along, while releasing one token and receiving another with out physically stopping?This is the question that has generated the debate. If I read it correctly, Joe has never suggested that a train should pass a Stop board without the due authority. The question posed is whether a train short enough to pass the release point for the previous section and then obtain the token for the next section while moving at slow speed through the loop or whatever before reaching the Stop board is then permitted to pass the Stop board without physically coming to a halt? I'm not sure where all of the debate about SPAD's and the like has come from. Paul You have to get a red before you can get any other colour Log in to reply The following user said thank you: postal |
| RETB Single line working 12/02/2013 at 21:45 #41463 | |
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davidbird
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The current issue of the WTT here clearly shows all trains as stopping at intermediate points. For example 6S45 06.35 North Blyth Ft William Alcan Crianlarich a 17*C06 Crianlarich d 17.09 Upper Tyndrum a 17t24 Upper Tyndrum d 17.27 Bridge of Orchy a 17t48 Bridge of Orchy d 17.49 Rannoch a 18*t28 Rannoch d 18x37 Corrour d 18/57 Tulloch d 19ta22 Spean Bridge d 20tk09 Ft Wm Jn a 20RM32 Ft Wm Jn d 20.36 Ft Wm Alcan GBRF a 20.52 The rules previously quoted, although not specific to RETB working, ie "You must always stop your train when you need to obtain, deliver or exchange a token", together with the WTT showing trains to stop at intermediate points, seems to show that the rules require that a train does stop at token exchange points. The driver cannot creep along, its against the rules. Another question that has sprung to mind is this. Without a signalman to check the tail-lamp, and without track circuiting, how it it proved that the entire train has left a section? Log in to reply |
| RETB Single line working 12/02/2013 at 23:56 #41466 | |
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clive
2789 posts |
" said:Since the train has continuous brakes, the assumption is that the driver would know he'd lost a bit in the middle of the section and wouldn't return the token. Log in to reply |
| RETB Single line working 13/02/2013 at 00:00 #41468 | |
Steamer
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Clive said:davidbird said:Are axle counters used on RETB lines?Since the train has continuous brakes, the assumption is that the driver would know he'd lost a bit in the middle of the section and wouldn't return the token. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 13/02/2013 at 00:02 by Steamer Log in to reply |
| RETB Single line working 13/02/2013 at 11:44 #41488 | |
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Stephen Fulcher
2080 posts |
There are no axle counters on RETB lines, and very few track circuits either. They are not needed as the driver has to confirm to the Signaller verbally that he is complete and clear of each section when surrendering the electronic token. The new ERTMS system on the Cambrian Line does use Axle Counters however to prove trains clear of each single line section. Last edited: 13/02/2013 at 11:44 by Stephen Fulcher Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Steamer |
| RETB Single line working 13/02/2013 at 13:30 #41496 | |
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AndyG
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" said:" said:Similar presumption for the token-less block worked (in the recent past)on the Wessex line between Salisbury and Pinhoe. I also assume that if a non-continuous braked train ever had to be worked through, the driver would have to confirm to the signaller the train has arrived complete out of each section.Since the train has continuous brakes, the assumption is that the driver would know he'd lost a bit in the middle of the section and wouldn't return the token. I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| RETB Single line working 14/02/2013 at 10:10 #41519 | |
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kbarber
1742 posts |
" said:" said:" said:Similar presumption for the token-less block worked (in the recent past)on the Wessex line between Salisbury and Pinhoe. I also assume that if a non-continuous braked train ever had to be worked through, the driver would have to confirm to the signaller the train has arrived complete out of each section.Since the train has continuous brakes, the assumption is that the driver would know he'd lost a bit in the middle of the section and wouldn't return the token. I believe trains not fitted with the continuous brake throughout were specifically prohibited from this line for that very reason. Log in to reply |