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STOCK JOINS 11/05/2013 at 16:12 #44597
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I am sure I'm not alone when I say the biggest cause of problems with SIMSIG games generally is the number of occasions trains won't join - either following a loco R/R or stock joins. All one sees on the F2 list is "Waiting for XXXX" or "Train in front". Sometimes it is possible to reverse the incoming loco/stock to behind a signal and retry the join but at other places this is not possible. Sometimes, by shunting the empty stock forward or shunting one half of an intended join forwards a join can be effected but often not.

A case in point is at Redford Junction in the Edinburgh Sims. In the 1985 PAID sim at least three of the locos on the Class 8 trains from Westfield will not rejoin the stock following a R/R in the DGL via ET968/953, prior to working into Thornton Yard. Equally, I've got the same problem with 0G27/7G27 at the same location in the 1993 Sim.

So what is one supposed to do in these situations other than remove the train?

I've seen various references on Forum pages in relation to this problem (not specifically Edinburgh) and the only answer which is given is "Try this" or "Try that" or "Sometimes this will work". The reason Joins do not work is because there is a fault in the writing of the Programme - if they are correctly written trains should always join.

Surely somebody (the writer of the Sim) should be capable of identifying why there is a problem and giving a definitive, once and for all, instruction as to what should be checked and corrected in order for these movements to succeed. If this information was included in Manuals then the all too frequent SIMSIG response of "Read the Manual" would be fair.

In the case of "Paid-for" Sims there is definately no excuse - they should work straight out of the box.

Am I making fundamental operating errors or am I lacking a key piece of information? Do other people encounter the same difficulties?

What is the remedy for such problems generally and, specifically, at Redford Junction?

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STOCK JOINS 11/05/2013 at 16:41 #44601
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" said:
I am sure I'm not alone when I say the biggest cause of problems with SIMSIG games generally is the number of occasions trains won't join - either following a loco R/R or stock joins. All one sees on the F2 list is "Waiting for XXXX" or "Train in front". Sometimes it is possible to reverse the incoming loco/stock to behind a signal and retry the join but at other places this is not possible. Sometimes, by shunting the empty stock forward or shunting one half of an intended join forwards a join can be effected but often not.

A case in point is at Redford Junction in the Edinburgh Sims. In the 1985 PAID sim at least three of the locos on the Class 8 trains from Westfield will not rejoin the stock following a R/R in the DGL via ET968/953, prior to working into Thornton Yard. Equally, I've got the same problem with 0G27/7G27 at the same location in the 1993 Sim.

So what is one supposed to do in these situations other than remove the train?

I've seen various references on Forum pages in relation to this problem (not specifically Edinburgh) and the only answer which is given is "Try this" or "Try that" or "Sometimes this will work". The reason Joins do not work is because there is a fault in the writing of the Programme - if they are correctly written trains should always join.

Surely somebody (the writer of the Sim) should be capable of identifying why there is a problem and giving a definitive, once and for all, instruction as to what should be checked and corrected in order for these movements to succeed. If this information was included in Manuals then the all too frequent SIMSIG response of "Read the Manual" would be fair.

In the case of "Paid-for" Sims there is definately no excuse - they should work straight out of the box.

Am I making fundamental operating errors or am I lacking a key piece of information? Do other people encounter the same difficulties?

What is the remedy for such problems generally and, specifically, at Redford Junction?
Never had a problem with a join at Redford (including during several hundred hours testing of various iterations of the Edinburgh sim). Any chance you can attach a saved game where the problem is happening or about to happen so someone else can cast an eye over the situation?

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STOCK JOINS 11/05/2013 at 16:59 #44602
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I encountered the Redford Jn problem but resolved by editing the stopping position of trains arriving from Westfield to FX - the end of the train overhung the junction so the running round loco didn't "arrive" at the loop and the timetable didn't step up. (Joins cannot take place unless both parts of the join are (or appear to be) at the same location.)

From memory this problem didn't happen on the '85 timetable in the donationware version. The re-released PAID version of the timetable has only really been updated to fix seeded trains at the start of the timetable. So not really the fault of the sim but lack of testing in the re-released timetable - you can't test for every subtle difference, can you?

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STOCK JOINS 11/05/2013 at 17:14 #44605
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Just tested and it's a timetable error not a Sim problem. Redford Jn (as most reversing points are) is a stop near-end if reversing default. So this train (8C26-6 in my test) is stopping as soon as the rear end enters the TC. When the LE runs round it can't get into the TC. The TT needs adjusted to either an exact position (+ length of loco and a bit) or far-end. As sloppyjag says.


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Last edited: 11/05/2013 at 17:17 by Peter Bennet
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