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| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 04/06/2013 at 11:11 #45444 | |
northroad
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Noticed this story about the high speed FYRA service on the news over in Holland last night and just dug out from the Railway Gazette what it was all about. Seems like a pretty damning report to me and one can understand why the Belgians have eventually said Enough is Enough. http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/passenger/single-view/view/sncb-pulls-out-of-v250-deal.html Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 04/06/2013 at 11:41 #45445 | |
jc92
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Damning indeed! if the belgians can wait til 2017, I'm sure we could always sell them a set of secondhand pacers to replace these sets... "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 04/06/2013 at 12:13 #45446 | |
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northroad
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Seem to remember that the Dutch received some of our Class 86's some years ago so probably not a bad idea.
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| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 04/06/2013 at 13:15 #45448 | |
AlexH
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If you want to get some idea of how bad the Fyra trains are, take a look at this site. They are really not well put together. http://www.scribd.com/doc/144924682/Dit-is-er-mis-met-de-Fyra Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 04/06/2013 at 15:54 #45451 | |
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arabianights
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Strange really cause Italian companies are usually renowned for build quality. I am especially amazed to see that there are issues with rust. It's also bizarre to see a large governmental organization based in Brussells waste enormous amounts of money and mess up procurement. Last edited: 04/06/2013 at 15:55 by arabianights Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 04/06/2013 at 16:45 #45454 | |
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Danny252
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" said:It's also bizarre to see a large governmental organization based in Brussells waste enormous amounts of money and mess up procurement.I swear we can't go a week on this forum without someone bashing the EU... Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 04/06/2013 at 17:47 #45455 | |
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arabianights
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the EU isn't the ONLY LGO there worth bashing. I'd even nominate the Belgian government, if there was one.
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| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 04/06/2013 at 18:28 #45456 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:" said:Not sure that's correct though were it I'd probably be a protagonist.It's also bizarre to see a large governmental organization based in Brussells waste enormous amounts of money and mess up procurement.I swear we can't go a week on this forum without someone bashing the EU... As I intimated in an earlier comment on this story, it gives lie to the claim that railways are better in Europe. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 05/06/2013 at 05:25 #45466 | |
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pilotman
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" said:" said:" said:Not sure that's correct though were it I'd probably be a protagonist.It's also bizarre to see a large governmental organization based in Brussells waste enormous amounts of money and mess up procurement.I swear we can't go a week on this forum without someone bashing the EU... As in the UK, European railways are a bit of a curates egg, but the fares are certainly more realistic here in France at least. Last edited: 05/06/2013 at 05:26 by pilotman Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 05/06/2013 at 15:28 #45475 | |
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northroad
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Looking at the design and shape of the front end it looks like something that would not be out of place in an episode of Postman Pat or Thomas the Tank Engine. It was definately not an Italian car designer that was involved  Geoff Last edited: 05/06/2013 at 15:28 by northroad Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 05/06/2013 at 17:09 #45478 | |
GeoffM
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" said:Looking at the design and shape of the front end it looks like something that would not be out of place in an episode of Postman Pat or Thomas the Tank Engine.Oh please! Chuggington surely? :silly: SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 15/06/2013 at 20:42 #45727 | |
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Forest Pines
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" said:Seem to remember that the Dutch received some of our Class 86's some years ago so probably not a bad idea.Are you thinking of the Class 77s? I suppose they will just have to go back to using TRAXX locos for FYRA like they were doing at Sloterdijk last year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/forest_pines/7814370068/in/set-72157630318589890 On the subject of "European railways aren't all that", I spent four hours stuck at Hamburg Hbf last Sunday because a fire had closed all main and S-Bahn lines southwards. After the first couple of hours I started mumbling "A British train company would have found a bus by now" every few minutes. Metronom cancelled their service until the lines opened again, and DB let all their trains stack up waiting - when we caught the first Metronom train after the line reopened, we passed a very long line of IC and ICE services waiting block-on-block to come into Hamburg. Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 16/06/2013 at 13:20 #45728 | |
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kbarber
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" said:
At the other end of the scale, we were at Zweisimmen a few years back when the line down the valley to Spiez had been closed by a landslide (it was raining stair rods). We decided to have a day out in Montreux instead, and came across another landslide (!) We got back to Zweisimmen about 55 minutes after leaving; 5 minutes later the emergency bus departed spot on time, our train now being recorded as a cancellation. We later learned that half of Switzerland was out of action; the rest continued to run to time! Log in to reply |
| Sometimes you just have to say enough is enough 18/06/2013 at 16:55 #45793 | |
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northroad
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Well the contract has now been officially terminated http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/passenger/single-view/view/alternatives-investigated-as-ns-drops-fyra-v250s-too.html Both parties obviously making claims that the other is refuting. Interesting statement in the article that claims are being made about running the sets in at too high a speed in poor weather conditions. Should make some legal experts just a tad richer in the end I think. Geoff Log in to reply |