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| WTT question 25/06/2013 at 14:51 #46031 | |
Mr Mystery
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Hi, I have a quick question regarding the working timetables as available from Network Rail. I'm attempting to write my own timetable for Saltley (adventurous, I know!). Is there any way of finding out the actual formations of trains? For instance, whether trains are 2/3/4 car sets, or whether trains are 2 sets joined together. This information doesn't seem to be in the WTT or on opentraintimes etc. I found in the CC01 timetable trains with timing loads of "221" and "221T" but there's no explanation of what the T means. Does anyone know? Also, in the CG timetables for the Snow Hill lines, the trains are timed as Class 150 but in reality they are Class 172? If anyone can help it would be appreciated, I'm getting confused! Log in to reply |
| WTT question 25/06/2013 at 15:19 #46033 | |
headshot119
4869 posts |
" said:Hi, I have a quick question regarding the working timetables as available from Network Rail.221 is for Cross Country Class 221s which don't tilt. 221T are Virgin West Coast 221s which do tilt. The timing load for a train in the WTT does not reflect what actually runs on them. For instance in my local area trains are timed for class 153, but always run as class 150. "Passengers for New Lane, should be seated in the rear coach of the train " - Opinions are my own and not those of my employer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Mr Mystery |
| WTT question 25/06/2013 at 15:55 #46038 | |
onlydjw
456 posts |
With us on LNE, there isn't a separate timing load for 150/153/155/156 - they all come under sprinter.
God bless, Daniel Wilson Log in to reply |
| WTT question 25/06/2013 at 16:00 #46040 | |
jc92
3690 posts |
" said:Also, in the CG timetables for the Snow Hill lines, the trains are timed as Class 150 but in reality they are Class 172?timing loads tend to reflect the slowest traction that can work the service, for instance, leeds-sheffield stoppers are timed for a 142, but can equally be worked by a 150 or 158, but it gives the allocator at neville hill more flexibility. i would suggest looking through websites and photos rather than relying on WTT timing loads. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| WTT question 25/06/2013 at 17:25 #46048 | |
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Mr Mystery
25 posts |
Thanks guys for your answers! So is there anywhere I can find out the real formations of services, or do I just need to use my own knowledge/initiative/guess? Thanks again Log in to reply |
| WTT question 25/06/2013 at 19:09 #46052 | |
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Underwood
748 posts |
Photos for freight and that are a good idea to work out traction and the length of the train. You can use if for generic stuff too, but if you're running Saltley, alot of it will be Class 172's with LM and Class 170's with XC, though both these vary with 2 and 3 car variants. The LM timetable for the Stratford - Birmingham - Kidderminster does tell you how many coaches are booked for the service, so you can tell if it's a 2 or 3 car 172, or a pair of 3 car 172's etc. www.headcodes.info can be useful on the traction side, for instance putting in 172341 I can get an idea of what service is generally worked by what: http://headcodes.info/tractionSearch.php?trac=172341 other way is to use the calender on the Traction History and find a similar service, which will list recorded numbers that haved worked that service. Some examples: http://headcodes.info/tractionHistoryDetails.php?tid=P30244&d=130605 http://headcodes.info/tractionHistoryDetails.php?tid=P30272&d=130605 http://headcodes.info/tractionHistoryDetails.php?tid=P20052&d=130605 http://headcodes.info/tractionHistoryDetails.php?tid=P30272&d=130605 Also, these diagrams may be of use: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1478542&postcount=3 http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1478549&postcount=5 http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1478562&postcount=11 Any other questions about booked traction you have, I'm sure a few of us on here could help you :) James. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Mr Mystery |