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| Norwich rail crash 21/07/2013 at 16:19 #47441 | |
jwsetford
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Did anyone hear about the rail crash at Norwich. according to the BBC 8 were injured when a greater anlia service from great yarmouth collided with an empty east midlands trains empty in platform 6 at 00:10 this morning. the question is though what do you think caused it. the train was doing 10mph when it hit the EMT train. I think the greater anglia driver misjudged the braking. Josh Log in to reply |
| Norwich rail crash 21/07/2013 at 16:35 #47444 | |
Steamer
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BBC Aritcle here " said: the question is though what do you think caused it.I think it's best if we wait for the RAIB or the TOCs involved to make a statement. It's not fair on (for example) the driver if everyone starts blaming him/her, and then it turns out that (for example) the brake equipment was at fault. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following users said thank you: AndyG, postal, John 23, Temple Meads |
| Norwich rail crash 21/07/2013 at 16:45 #47446 | |
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Backup
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I share your curiosity, but I feel uneasy about speculation in a publicly accessible forum. No offence intended.
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| Norwich rail crash 21/07/2013 at 16:54 #47447 | |
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Colourlight
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The train was the 23.34 Yarmouth-Nowich which collided with an empty East Midland train in Norwich Station, which in turn shunted into a 2nd empty East Midlands train. Eight Passengers were slightly injured and have now all been discharged from hospital. The driver alleged the signal going into the platform was displaying a main aspect, which if true, would indicate that the platform was empty. So we will have to wait for the RAIB report to see who was at fault, the Driver or Notwork Rail. (Not a typing error).
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| Norwich rail crash 21/07/2013 at 17:45 #47449 | |
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officer dibble
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"I think the greater anglia driver misjudged the braking." I feel we should await the RAIB on this incident before we cast judgment on the train-crew and/or the infrastructure involved. Sadly there have been a number of incidents on the network this weekend and people (on here & other forums.....) seem to be having opinions on the incidents, on the basis of 3rd party information, probably best to await official reports if/when they are, released rather than conjecture and hear-say. When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A Last edited: 21/07/2013 at 17:48 by officer dibble Log in to reply The following users said thank you: guidomcc, John 23, AndyG, TimTamToe, DriverCurran, postal |
| Norwich rail crash 21/07/2013 at 19:04 #47454 | |
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John
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Josh, as a driver yourself, I'm frankly astounded at how quickly you've rushed to judge that it must have been the drivers fault.
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| Norwich rail crash 22/07/2013 at 14:50 #47476 | |
moonraker
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If he got a "Main Aspect" instead of a "Calling on" then the signalling is at fault somewhere. Probably best to await the enquiry outcome
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| Norwich rail crash 22/07/2013 at 20:19 #47480 | |
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EddyHarris
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I agree with the general consensus. Let's wait for the facts before drawing to conclusions
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| Norwich rail crash 23/07/2013 at 10:46 #47489 | |
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kbarber
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" said:I agree with the general consensus. Let's wait for the facts before drawing to conclusions Agreed. I think posting of facts (including such as the driver's allegation here, provided confidentiality isn't being breached) is fine. Also no problem I can see in posting (directly or via links) photos or official comments of any kind (Bretigny-sur-Orge refers). Comment on such information might be considered a grey area; personally I'd suggest it should be accepted provided it stays close to the facts (outrageous speculation really isn't acceptable). I'm sure we all speculate in private (I know I do, my father used to, and I'm sure many current and ex railway folk do likewise) but, if there's any kind of official investigation, that's where it should stay. My twopennorth, wonder if there need to be guidelines in the acceptable use policy? Log in to reply The following users said thank you: postal, AndyG |
| Norwich rail crash 24/07/2013 at 20:53 #47520 | |
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jwsetford
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Another crash to report; This evening a RENFE express in madrid derailed. all 13 coaches were of the tracks. http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/68934000/jpg/_68934952_hi018751329.jpg Log in to reply The following user said thank you: andrewteale |
| Norwich rail crash 24/07/2013 at 21:02 #47521 | |
postal
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" said:Another crash to report;Maybe better as a new topic as it doesn't seem to be relevant to the "Norwich rail crash". “In life, there is always someone out there, who won’t like you, for whatever reason, don’t let the insecurities in their lives affect yours.” – Rashida Rowe Log in to reply |
| Norwich rail crash 24/07/2013 at 21:08 #47522 | |
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jwsetford
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" said:" said:Another crash to report;Maybe better as a new topic as it doesn't seem to be relevant to the "Norwich rail crash". oops. Log in to reply |
| Norwich rail crash 26/07/2013 at 11:34 #47601 | |
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John
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From the RAIB
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| Norwich rail crash 26/07/2013 at 15:57 #47610 | |
Temple Meads
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" said:Josh, as a driver yourself, I'm frankly astounded at how quickly you've rushed to judge that it must have been the drivers fault.If he's a driver that is, he seems to be driving for three TOC's according to his user title.. Username TIM in multiplayer Log in to reply The following user said thank you: John |
| Norwich rail crash 27/07/2013 at 05:51 #47617 | |
JohnMiller
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RAIB Report on Norwich Collision http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/current_investigations_register/130721_norwich.cfm Log in to reply |
| Norwich rail crash 27/07/2013 at 15:09 #47627 | |
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UKTrainMan
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" said:RAIB Report on Norwich CollisionNot the actual report - that's just a page as part of the Current Investigations Register with some level of detail about that specific incident currently being investigated by the RAIB. Actual Reports [and Bulletins] are almost always in .pdf format - here's a list of Reports and Bulletins published in 2013; and example of an actual RAIB Report would be the [latest] one linked to from this page. Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for. Log in to reply |
| Norwich rail crash 27/07/2013 at 16:22 #47628 | |
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Colourlight
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That is the prelimary report which sets out the relevant facts and outlines the various lines of investigation the Enquiry will take. Already some interesting facts have emerged which shed light on how the collision occured. Probably the most relevant is the fact that the available Platform space could not accomodate the entire arriving train, a fact that I suspected may have been the case from the Photographs I have seen. It is also noteworthy that operating practices at Norwich are also under review. It is easy to point the finger of blame at the most obvious cause when a Railway accident occurs but the Railway is a complex environment and very often the responsibilty for an accident lies with a number of people and or Companys. So those of you who were quick to jump in with both feet and blame the driver should not be quite so unforgiving in future. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Temple Meads |
| Norwich rail crash 28/07/2013 at 07:41 #47653 | |
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JohnMiller
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Talk About
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| Norwich rail crash 28/07/2013 at 09:18 #47655 | |
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Ron_J
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Indeed. I once worked a box where permissive working in the bay platforms was only permitted for attaching and detaching moves during times of significant service disruption. However, over the years (since long before I started working there) it had become custom and practice to stable trains at the buffer ends of the the bay platforms from the early evening onwards, while still using the platforms permissively for passenger trains. By the time I started this had become the only way to actually fulfil the timetable - there were too many trains and not enough platforms. I was always a bit uncomfortable with this deliberate 'overlooking' of the box special instructions and sectional appendix instructions but nothing ever went wrong while I was there. I bet if something had gone wrong like at Norwich then HMRI (as was) or RAIB (later) would have been all over it...
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| Norwich rail crash 28/07/2013 at 14:01 #47658 | |
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jwsetford
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" said:" said:Josh, as a driver yourself, I'm frankly astounded at how quickly you've rushed to judge that it must have been the drivers fault.If he's a driver that is, he seems to be driving for three TOC's according to his user title.. I was only in training for scotrail before I went for SWT and forgot to edit my "about me" bit 
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| Norwich rail crash 28/07/2013 at 14:20 #47659 | |
jc92
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" said:" said:I dread to think what your petrol bill must be like! commuting from SWT in london to work XC services from stansted - Birmingham. I wish i could keep myself that busy.." said:Josh, as a driver yourself, I'm frankly astounded at how quickly you've rushed to judge that it must have been the drivers fault.If he's a driver that is, he seems to be driving for three TOC's according to his user title.. "We don't stop camborne wednesdays" Log in to reply |
| Norwich rail crash 28/07/2013 at 14:22 #47660 | |
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jwsetford
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Its the good thing with good wages!
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