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| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 27/12/2013 at 16:39 #53263 | |
tjfrancis
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hi all why do trains stopping at Carlisle go into platform 3 and 4 I am confused on why this two platforms are used from Scotland to England and will that stop the trains going the other way if the trains going the other way need platform 3 thanks tjfrancis I am dyslexic so please consider this when reading my posts Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 27/12/2013 at 17:16 #53265 | |
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John
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I'm not sure if I understand. Do you mean trains coming from Scotland that terminate at Carlisle? Are you wondering why they don't use platforms 7 and 8 instead? Or has my chocolate liqueur addled brain got the wrong end of the stick? Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 27/12/2013 at 17:21 #53266 | |
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tjfrancis
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" said:I'm not sure if I understand. john you have the wrong end of the stick or right the trains carry on in to England e.g. London,birmingham I am dyslexic so please consider this when reading my posts Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 27/12/2013 at 17:43 #53268 | |
Steamer
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It's probably an error in the data the timetable is based on. From what I've seen when spotting/photographing at Carlisle, Southbound WCML trains always use P4, northbound generally uses P1, sometimes P3.
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| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 27/12/2013 at 17:45 #53270 | |
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woodruff
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Platforms 1,3,4 are bi-directional.
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| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 27/12/2013 at 17:48 #53271 | |
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John
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" said:It's probably an error in the data the timetable is based on. From what I've seen when spotting/photographing at Carlisle, Southbound WCML trains always use P4, northbound generally uses P1, sometimes P3.Is this thread about Simsig, as it's in the "real thing" section? Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 27/12/2013 at 23:03 #53308 | |
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Steamer
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" said:" said::doh That'll be me being lazy and using the 'Recent Topics' list instead of looking thorough properly...It's probably an error in the data the timetable is based on. From what I've seen when spotting/photographing at Carlisle, Southbound WCML trains always use P4, northbound generally uses P1, sometimes P3.Is this thread about Simsig, as it's in the "real thing" section? "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Last edited: 27/12/2013 at 23:03 by Steamer Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 27/12/2013 at 23:31 #53309 | |
Peter Bennet
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" said:hi all why do trains stopping at Carlisle go into platform 3 and 4 I am confused on why this two platforms are used from Scotland to England and will that stop the trains going the other way if the trains going the other way needI'm not sure exactly what the question is intended to be but if an Sc>E train is in either Platform 3 or 4 then that will stop a E>Sc train also using the same platform. But that can't be the question.....can it? Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 28/12/2013 at 00:06 #53310 | |
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320322
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Whether SimSig or not, I've seen it in real life. Down trains to Scotland using platform 4, up trains using 3. As said, through lines are bit di. I've been on the 16:30 Euston - Glasgow in the present day, ironically timed to pass non stop through Carlisle and it's been routed through platform 1 and 3 on many occasions. Its permissible to run in both directions
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| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 28/12/2013 at 01:38 #53312 | |
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vontrapp
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Bays are bi-di!
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| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 28/12/2013 at 08:55 #53319 | |
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Forest Pines
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" said:Bays are bi-di!All of the platforms at Carlisle are, usefully. To divert slightly though it was common for bay platforms on mechanically signalled lines to not be bi-di for running moves. For example until its resignalling in recent years Lincoln Central station did have bays that weren't bi-di except for shunts, because they had no facing connections. Edit: signalbox.org has not one but two diagrams, one prior to the 60s: http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=412 and one from 2001: http://www.signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=48 Last edited: 28/12/2013 at 09:04 by Forest Pines Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 28/12/2013 at 13:23 #53325 | |
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woodruff
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For the 2013 timetable I used the nr wtt but also open traain times info, [ which of course shows the actual platform used on the day and not the nr wtt platform]. Another point noted for the next timetable. Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 28/12/2013 at 14:47 #53326 | |
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Late Turn
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" said:Bays are bi-di! I think it's stretching the definition of 'bi-directional' to include bay platforms in it! The RSSB Rule Book (all I've got to hand) defines a bi-directional line as one "on which the signalling allows trains to run in both directions" - which, to me, means a line that trains can approach from either direction (with, significantly, controls to prevent opposing movements being signalled - 'direction of flow' indicators, direction levers, a token etc.), the presence or otherwise of a signalled move off the line in question being irrelevant. Takiong the example of a simple two-platform through station with the ability to start back from the Down platform in the Up direction (through a trailing crossover immediately in rear): I wouldn't consider the Down line to be bi-directional simply because there's a signalled move back in the other direction; the same logic also being applicable to bay platforms - after all, you wouldn't need to introduce working by pilotman in either case? Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 28/12/2013 at 15:30 #53330 | |
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Forest Pines
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So what terminology would you suggest to distinguish between a bay platform that you can both run passenger trains into and out of, and a bay platform which you cannot run a passenger train in to? I don't see how working by pilotman would be relevant. Log in to reply |
| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 28/12/2013 at 15:47 #53335 | |
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Late Turn
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Do we need a term to differentiate between a bay that trains can arrive at in passenger service and one that can only be accessed by a shunt? Working by pilotman is relevant - the Rule Book specifies that it must be introduced whenever certain types of signalling failure occur on a single or bi-directional line, so it's important to understand exactly what falls under the definition!
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| trains stopping at Carlisle from scotland to england 28/12/2013 at 15:48 #53336 | |
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Peter Bennet
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I think vontrapp was being facetious. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |