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It's a bit wet down here.. 06/02/2014 at 14:50 #55106
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Had a look at work today, Totnes was totally devoid of trains, as was Newton Abbot - Paignton as the weather has taken a liking to the signalling equipment. FGW/XC operating Penzance - Plymouth & v.v.
When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A
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It's a bit wet down here.. 06/02/2014 at 17:33 #55110
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Had a look at work today, Totnes was totally devoid of trains, as was Newton Abbot - Paignton as the weather has taken a liking to the signalling equipment. FGW/XC operating Penzance - Plymouth & v.v.

FGW JourneyCheck is reporting that trains are running from Newton Abbot to Paignton now. Still nothing bewteen Newton Abbot and Plymouth though.

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It's a bit wet down here.. 06/02/2014 at 18:56 #55117
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Had a look at work today, Totnes was totally devoid of trains, as was Newton Abbot - Paignton as the weather has taken a liking to the signalling equipment. FGW/XC operating Penzance - Plymouth & v.v.

FGW JourneyCheck is reporting that trains are running from Newton Abbot to Paignton now. Still nothing bewteen Newton Abbot and Plymouth though.

One train working over the down line with all the points clipped up at NA perchance? That would allow something to happen without needing lots of groundborne staff and still offer a signalled route over the LC into Paignton. (That's what I think I'd do if 'twere me tryng to be in charge, anyway.)

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It's a bit wet down here.. 06/02/2014 at 19:16 #55119
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Services again suspended twixt NTA-PGN & v.v. due to the failure of 2Z73 1720 NTA-PGN @ Torre, with services suspended until close of play. Back to *trying* to operate road transport I guess.......

On another note the "sleeper" (1A40) was supposed to be operating tonight between Penzance & Plymouth only, I wonder if that to try a keep the 57/6 running so it doesn't seize up!??!

When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A
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It's a bit wet down here.. 06/02/2014 at 19:22 #55121
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Services between NTA & PGN suspended until the close of play due to the failure 153361+153370 working 2Z73 1720 NTA-PGN at Torre ealier, back to *trying* road transport I guess..........

I saw a message on Tyrell check earlier, 1A40 was down to run tonight, albeit only as far as Plymouth. Looks like it is, quoted as HST set OC30 booked to work the service (43042 - 41007 - 41144 - 40807 - 42079 - 42382 - 42251 - 42080 - 44026 - 43127). Then 5A40 23+55 ECS to Laira T&RSMD.

When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A
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It's a bit wet down here.. 06/02/2014 at 23:47 #55142
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Maybe a Wed 5/2/14 TT then? Shouldn't take too long to knock up, and suitable for solo operation of all panels?
I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either.
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It's a bit wet down here.. 06/02/2014 at 23:54 #55144
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Paignton is a seperate Box, as for NTA and TOT services are currently running, albeit severely disrupted so presumably the signalling isn't too badly affected
Are you sure? RTT for Totnes today shows everything caped.

So it begins to look as if there's no local panels. I'm pretty certain the cables will have been wiped out along with the railway, so Exeter can no longer control the remote interlockings at Newton Abbot & Totnes and there's no other way for anyone to take control. So if they want to run anything at all it will have to be done by winding points and emergency absolute block working. And where are all the MOMs whose job it would presumably be to do that? Well there's probably not enough of them anyway and those there are (who aren't cut off by the weather) are presumably desperately working on all the various other weather issues down there.

Today's Guardian suggested emergency bus services Exeter - Plymouth; what's the odds that's how it'll be until they get something open at Dawlish (and I reckon the estimated 6 weeks will be a gross underestimate, particularly with another couple of storms coming in over the next few days to wash away a bit more)? Not good!
I'm reliably informed by an Exeter signaller that controls and indications were indeed lost west of Dawlish but they're now working again.

I'm not sure 6 weeks is infeasible. It depends what they want to do - patch it up, or take the opportunity to do some long term fixes like pilings or whatever. There was a mass washout in Colorado not so long ago where the entire mountainside slid away, making the Dawlish holes look like minor dents in comparison, and that only took a few weeks of scores of stone trains filling in the void before trains were running again.

People have spoken of the Heathfield branch as a solution... the remains of which is currently underwater apparently. So maybe not such an instant solution as the "experts" would have us believe.

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Bigjigs Rail Help Get Dawlish Back on Track! 07/02/2014 at 10:58 #55149
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The Big Crane Construction Team from Bigjigs Rail has been drafted in to help Network Rail and Great First Western fix railway lines after the recent storms.

The destruction of the railway line connecting Devon and Cornwall to the rest of the UK has been badly damaged by the recent bad weather, with the sea wall protecting the railway line at Dawlish being washed away, exposing the line and leaving it hanging in mid-air.



Network Rail has claimed that the line will take a minimum of six weeks to repair with costs set to soar into the millions. Up to 150ft (46m) of railway track was destroyed and Dawlish Station was also damaged on Wednesday.

Bigjigs Rail’s, Big Crane Construction team, have been brought in to assist Network Rail in the operating of Britain’s rail infrastructure during these stormy times. By bringing in the Bigjigs Rail team, the cost is set to dramatically reduce from millions to just £31.99 and they are expected to help repair the track quickly too!



A spokesman from the Bigjigs Rail team said “Our main priority is to protect the line from another big weather front that is due this weekend, and thereafter help fix the line so that passengers can once again enjoy this magnificent stretch of track!”

Bigjigs Rail have also promised to kindly donate some toys to sea front homes that have been damaged and affected by the sea wall collapse in Dawlish. If you know of any families please contact george@bigjigstoys.com.



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It's a bit wet down here.. 07/02/2014 at 16:50 #55164
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We could, in fact, start a creation of Niche timetables


South Humberside with the landslip although with that one you could route round
Exeter with the washout

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It's a bit wet down here.. 07/02/2014 at 16:56 #55167
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We could, in fact, start a creation of Niche timetables


South Humberside with the landslip although with that one you could route round
Exeter with the washout
LUL when Bob Crow's got them out.

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It's a bit wet down here.. 08/02/2014 at 11:11 #55213
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The solution

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It's a bit wet down here.. 08/02/2014 at 13:03 #55218
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We could, in fact, start a creation of Niche timetables


South Humberside with the landslip although with that one you could route round
Exeter with the washout
I believe Daniel Wilson (onlydjw) has written a timetable for South Humberside as you suggest here, and possibly for Worksop as well.

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It's a bit wet down here.. 08/02/2014 at 13:33 #55219
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At work, just been told that there is a landslip at Yeovil, so thats the diversionary route gone now, sheesh!
When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A
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It's a bit wet down here.. 08/02/2014 at 14:02 #55220
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At work, just been told that there is a landslip at Yeovil, so thats the diversionary route gone now, sheesh!

Taunton to Brigwater now closed in addition to Taunton to Castle Cary so can't even bus people from Exeter to Taunton to join trains there. Not quite sure what options are left now, bus from Exeter to Castle Cary or Bristol?

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It's a bit wet down here.. 08/02/2014 at 14:17 #55222
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Road transport from Bristol Parkway to Exeter & V.V.

Just had to divert 1Z85 as a result, non-stop to Bristol Parkway & then ECS to Temple Meads to work god knows what!

When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A
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It's a bit wet down here.. 08/02/2014 at 18:19 #55229
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High Tide at Bridgwater
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It's a bit wet down here.. 09/02/2014 at 12:03 #55281
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Crewkerne has just been re-opened but only at 5mph. Crew displacement means that 1C89 16:28 Paddington-Exeter St. Davids will be the first service through on the down. No idea about the up yet though.

UPDATE 1340:

Line has been shut again, 1A83 now cancelled.

When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A
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It's a bit wet down here.. 09/02/2014 at 18:48 #55306
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High Tide at Bridgwater

Oh dear. only one line visible above the water level too.

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It's a bit wet down here.. 09/02/2014 at 19:00 #55310
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It's a bit wet down here.. 09/02/2014 at 21:13 #55318
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I hope UM155 was that rusty before the water came and lapped around its foot. and the bad thing is, is that the somerset levels are continuing to rise
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It's a bit wet down here.. 09/02/2014 at 21:34 #55320
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Latest plan from FGW

In summary:

Good news: Athelney hoped to re-open.
Bad news: Fordgate (Bridgwater line) still closed, Hinksey (Oxford) likely to shut.

Crewkerne has re-opened with a 5mph restriction over the site of the slip. Currently blocked to HSTs, due to high axle loading.

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It's a bit wet down here.. 09/02/2014 at 22:48 #55327
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To quote FGW via their staff messaging service:


LINE FLOODED AT MAIDENHEAD!!

Initial reports from NR advise Down Relief impassible - further info awaited.


When in doubt - Contingency plan 2A. Someone didn't buy the milk - 2A. Someone sneezed at Swansea - 2A. A driver complains the cab is too cold - 2A. Unable to operate a HEx service 4 vice 8 - 2A. Points failure at Ipswich - 2A. Landslip at Pitlochry - 2A
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It's a bit wet down here.. 28/02/2014 at 11:35 #56331
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And then there are other consequences...

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Grandfather who lives in a converted train station closed by Beeching in 1968 can't sell his home because ministers may reopen the railway after storms destroyed coast route

A grandfather who lives in a former train station says he can't sell up because of plans to reopen a disused railway following the major collapse at Dawlish.

Eric Rhodes, 67, lives in a former station master's house which is still flanked by the old railway platform. Pretty Brentor Railway Station was transformed into a three-bedroom dwelling and garden when the Southwestern Junction Line was closed in 1968 under the Beeching cuts. Eric has been trying to sell the property for £600,000 - but says the sale could now be knocked off track after the seaside line at nearby Dawlish collapsed.

Ministers are considering plans to bypass the storm-smashed stretch of track that fell into the sea - which would lead right next to Eric's home. Mr Rhodes says reopening the line after 50 years would see trains once again travel alongside his living room. He fears the prospect of high speed trains once again thundering past his home will put off prospective buyers.

He said: 'Having been told over many years they would not use this section again it did come as a shock to us. I suspect it would run through the old line which is just metres from where our living room and dining room currently is. This is a beautiful place to live with the canopy and the waiting room - a real piece of social history. But I'm not sure how potential buyers are going to feel about the prospect of actual trains going past.'

Eric snapped up the Victorian station house near Tavistock, Devon, 19 years ago to realise a lifelong dream of living beside a railway track. The waiting room, dating back to 1890, is now a sitting room, while other rooms have been converted into a kitchen and bedrooms. The ticket office is fully preserved, as is the original platform and ornate station canopy, though the train tracks that once crossed Eric's 4.5-acre garden were removed years ago.

Former railway worker Eric and his wife Sue, 62, decided to sell up to move closer to their two grandchildren and put the place on the market for £595,000. But they fear it will prove impossible to sell if Network Rail decides to resurrect the Southwestern Junction Line, which runs from Okehampton to Plymouth via Tavistock and Dartmoor National Park.

Eric started out his career as an office boy for British Rail and went on to manage several railway stations before becoming a tour manager arranging railway holidays. He is the fifth person to own the unique property since it was closed and subsequently renovated after the major railway cuts of the 1960s.

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin insisted that all options remain after a 100ft stretch of sea wall fell into the sea in Dawlish last week - taking the main line connecting Devon and Cornwall to the rest of the UK with it. Those options include renovating old lines and stations at a cost of hundreds of millions of pounds.

Eric said he would have to steam ahead with the sale regardless of the uncertainty. He added: 'We have been down this road before as it came up around 20 years ago that National Rail were thinking about putting the railway line up. They have only done a preliminary investigation so it's all up in the air at the moment. We're just going to get on with things. I'm sure will people will appreciate it's a fantastic home. We've retained as much as of the original features as possible. Who knows if I will get the price. Fortunately I don't have to move because of work, we just want to move closer to our grandchildren.'

Full article with photos - Daily Mail 13 Feb 2014

Something reminds me of the old fifties song "The Railway Runs Through The Middle Of The House" (by Gene Zimmerman? Vaughan Munroe?) - can't even find the lyrics now. But it was very funny. All joking aside, I feel sorry for Eric and hope he gets his money or the authorities find a different route!

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It's a bit wet down here.. 28/02/2014 at 17:23 #56352
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A new railway almost certainly won't happen. The politicians will play to the crowd, then Network Rail will come up with some costings, the muppets who work for the DfT (Department for Transport) will multiply that by a Random Consultant-Generated Number, and it'll all be brushed under the carpet.

As for the newspaper article, sounds like a typical "nasty horrible Network Rail" sob story from the Daily Mail. In the unlikely event that the railway does go ahead, he would be compensated, or the land bought off him for the 'pre-blight' value.

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It's a bit wet down here.. 28/02/2014 at 17:34 #56354
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In the unlikely event that the railway does go ahead, he would be compensated, or the land bought off him for the 'pre-blight' value.
I think the problem is that he's now in limbo. His house was on the market as a closed station house or whatever. It's now on the route of one of the suggested alternative and that could well put buyers off without any firm plans. Sure, he could be bought out if the line is opened but it's what happens in the meantime.

As for reopening the line, I agree. The storms did a fair amount of damage but the last time damage was anywhere near that bad was scores of years ago. It'll just be cheaper to patch and make do.

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