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Queries 18/03/2014 at 13:56 #57295 | |
Danny252
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A couple of queries: Bham Intl 12->25 (Down Stour -> P4) only clears to a shunt aspect, despite an overlap being shown beyond 25 which could only be used by this route. Is the overlap shown incorrectly, or should there be a main route into P4 from the wrong direction? Additionally, TDs do not step on this route. Bham Intl P1/P2 long/short overlaps - should there be a way to choose between the two? Currently the only way to force a short overlap is to set another route which blocks the long overlap. Also, in the Up direction, is there any difference between the long/short overlaps? Both seem to be approach control from red, but perhaps the timing is less restrictive on one. Bham NS Via Button C - what routes actually use this? I've not found any to/from P6/7 that accept via buttons at all. Log in to reply |
Queries 18/03/2014 at 14:44 #57296 | |
Jan
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" said:Bham Intl P1/P2 long/short overlaps - should there be a way to choose between the two? Currently the only way to force a short overlap is to set another route which blocks the long overlap.Locking the points does the trick as well. This kind of automatic overlap selection (whatever the offical term for that is) can be found in several other sims, e.g. at Trent Junctions in Trent, Weston-super-Mare in Bristol or at the country end of P4 in Cambridge. " said: Bham NS Via Button C - what routes actually use this? I've not found any to/from P6/7 that accept via buttons at all.P6/7 to Down Stour. Two million people attempt to use Birmingham's magnificent rail network every year, with just over a million of them managing to get further than Smethwick. Log in to reply The following user said thank you: Finger |
Queries 18/03/2014 at 15:22 #57298 | |
JamesN
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" said:A couple of queries: Fire away! " said: The route-learning diagrams I've seen for International list NS12 - pf4 as a shunt only route, and the signal only has Feathers 1, 2 and 4 which would imply 3 diverging main aspect routes and 1 main route. The panel photos do show a full overlap for NS25, but there aren't any routes that would use it so I'd put this down as a quirk of the design, not a bug. TDs do not step for Shunt Routes. " said: The short overlaps are suto-selected Reduced Overlaps - Warner Routes without the buttons. These will be Approach Control from Red. The routes into platforms 1 and 2 from NS12 do allow flashing aspects, but only if the full overlap is available. Flashing sequence will be inhibted once the train is withing sighting distance of the single yellow. " said: Good point, well spotted. I don't have the route permuations to hand for NS throat, but it's possible it's deliberate. I Reacll 6/7 to Dn Stour being one that uses C, may be wrong. EDIT: Missed Jan's post d'oh! Last edited: 18/03/2014 at 15:23 by JamesN Log in to reply |
Queries 18/03/2014 at 15:57 #57301 | |
GeoffM
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" said:" said:That overlap marker is for NS31, not NS25. The control tables don't require that track clear so the SimSig display was incorrect [fixed]. I've also fixed the corresponding route in 1970s/1980s mode into platform 3 from NS31.The route-learning diagrams I've seen for International list NS12 - pf4 as a shunt only route, and the signal only has Feathers 1, 2 and 4 which would imply 3 diverging main aspect routes and 1 main route. The panel photos do show a full overlap for NS25, but there aren't any routes that would use it so I'd put this down as a quirk of the design, not a bug. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
Queries 18/03/2014 at 18:33 #57316 | |
Danny252
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" said:" said:I meant the overlap marker beyond NS31's. However, I had completely missed the crossover in advance of NS24 on P3, which can cause NS24's overlap to fall onto the Up Stour, so the overlap marker in advance of NS25 is correct." said:That overlap marker is for NS31, not NS25. The control tables don't require that track clear so the SimSig display was incorrect [fixed]. I've also fixed the corresponding route in 1970s/1980s mode into platform 3 from NS31.The route-learning diagrams I've seen for International list NS12 - pf4 as a shunt only route, and the signal only has Feathers 1, 2 and 4 which would imply 3 diverging main aspect routes and 1 main route. The panel photos do show a full overlap for NS25, but there aren't any routes that would use it so I'd put this down as a quirk of the design, not a bug. Quote: The short overlaps are suto-selected Reduced Overlaps - Warner Routes without the buttons.I was just wondering if there should be warner buttons, as it seems like a relatively common occurance to want the short overlap before you set a route out. However, if the NS signallers have to do it the hard way, I'm happy to do so! " said: " said:I had meant the routes from NS31 with regards to the difference - neither long nor short overlap gives a flashing sequence, even with routes set out of P1/P2 towards NS412. " said: " said:Aha - I was convinced it was a choice between C/D to/from the Gloucester lines, although I now see there's not actually any real difference between those two.Bham NS Via Button C - what routes actually use this? I've not found any to/from P6/7 that accept via buttons at all.P6/7 to Down Stour. Last edited: 18/03/2014 at 18:34 by Danny252 Log in to reply |
Queries 18/03/2014 at 18:55 #57318 | |
Steamer
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" said:The release time is different- a bit of playing around with F11 gives a 5 second release time for the full overlap when T104 is occupied, and about 20 seconds for the short overlap. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply |
Queries 18/03/2014 at 19:13 #57321 | |
Danny252
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" said:...a bit of playing around with F11...Ooh, I never thought of testing things like that - far easier than running a stream of 0Z00s up from Coventry... Log in to reply |
Queries 18/03/2014 at 19:36 #57324 | |
GeoffM
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" said:" said:And [b]I[/i] meant the panel photos James was looking at!" said:I meant the overlap marker beyond NS31's. However, I had completely missed the crossover in advance of NS24 on P3, which can cause NS24's overlap to fall onto the Up Stour, so the overlap marker in advance of NS25 is correct." said:That overlap marker is for NS31, not NS25. The control tables don't require that track clear so the SimSig display was incorrect [fixed]. I've also fixed the corresponding route in 1970s/1980s mode into platform 3 from NS31.The route-learning diagrams I've seen for International list NS12 - pf4 as a shunt only route, and the signal only has Feathers 1, 2 and 4 which would imply 3 diverging main aspect routes and 1 main route. The panel photos do show a full overlap for NS25, but there aren't any routes that would use it so I'd put this down as a quirk of the design, not a bug. ![]() " said: Quote:No separate buttons on the panel I'm afraid.The short overlaps are suto-selected Reduced Overlaps - Warner Routes without the buttons.I was just wondering if there should be warner buttons, as it seems like a relatively common occurance to want the short overlap before you set a route out. However, if the NS signallers have to do it the hard way, I'm happy to do so! SimSig Boss Log in to reply |
Queries 18/03/2014 at 22:11 #57340 | |
Danny252
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A bug this time - signalling a shunt route into P10A lights up the Direction Arrows with both standard locking or platform arrows. However, no other shunt route seems to light up the Direction Arrows with either option!
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Queries 18/03/2014 at 22:59 #57346 | |
GeoffM
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" said:A bug this time - signalling a shunt route into P10A lights up the Direction Arrows with both standard locking or platform arrows. However, no other shunt route seems to light up the Direction Arrows with either option!No arrows for shunt routes - or at least shouldn't be. Confirmed that I'm getting it for P10A. SimSig Boss Log in to reply |