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| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 11:07 #60849 | |
Hooverman
306 posts |
So GOVIA have won the TSGN management contract, so is this the end of the Class 442 fleet or will they be redeployed? I quite like them on the Eastbourne to London Bridge and back rush hour turns. http://www.govia.info/news/2014-news/govia-awarded-tsgn-franchise/ Log in to reply |
| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 11:17 #60850 | |
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njimiller
142 posts |
Looks clear their relatively short life on GatEx services will be ending but could it be possible (or how easy and expensive is it) to convert them for use on the newly electrified overhead wire routes in the north? Nick Log in to reply |
| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 13:04 #60855 | |
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Sacro
1171 posts |
" said:Looks clear their relatively short life on GatEx services will be ending but could it be possible (or how easy and expensive is it) to convert them for use on the newly electrified overhead wire routes in the north?Technically GatEx ended before the 442s transferred over to Southern. Also, I can't see them being suitable up here unless they have better acceleration, I recall them occasionally being substituted for a 377 and they lost time due to their lack of acceleration, though AC might give them a bit more oomph, maybe there's a longer run they'd be happy on, but they're useless as a frequently stopping commuter train. Also, don't they have guage issues? Log in to reply |
| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 13:40 #60858 | |
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hayleysmith
14 posts |
Here's a wacky idea: why not let SWT have them back for a song (SWT love a bargain and they'll be as cheap as chips 'cos no-one else will want them) and deploy them on the Weymouths, thus releasing 444s for the Pompeys, thus releasing some 450s for outer-suburban stuff and Guildford-Ascots. Just a thought 
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| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 13:45 #60859 | |
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Hooverman
306 posts |
" said:Here's a wacky idea: why not let SWT have them back for a song (SWT love a bargain and they'll be as cheap as chips 'cos no-one else will want them) and deploy them on the Weymouths, thus releasing 444s for the Pompeys, thus releasing some 450s for outer-suburban stuff and Guildford-Ascots. Just a thought :)History reversing itself, I love it lol Log in to reply |
| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 13:50 #60860 | |
Peter Bennet
5402 posts |
" said:" said:We had this dicussion before. Gatwick Express is a trading name of Southern; or as the TSGN ITT put it:Looks clear their relatively short life on GatEx services will be ending but could it be possible (or how easy and expensive is it) to convert them for use on the newly electrified overhead wire routes in the north?Technically GatEx ended before the 442s transferred over to Southern. Quote: It will encompass the separate Thameslink/Great NorthernPeter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 13:55 #60861 | |
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Hooverman
306 posts |
" said:" said:I far as I'm aware Gatwick Express although part of GOVIA's Southern franchise still operates as a separate entity, it certainly has it own drivers link, branding and ticket restrictions. The amount of times we have late running and we are left waiting for the Southern driver to work the rush hour service beyond Gatwick to Brighton is certainly to not a rare event nor is it when the return ECS come back to up from Brighton and we are left waiting crew relief at Gatwick as well.Looks clear their relatively short life on GatEx services will be ending but could it be possible (or how easy and expensive is it) to convert them for use on the newly electrified overhead wire routes in the north?Technically GatEx ended before the 442s transferred over to Southern. Last edited: 23/05/2014 at 13:56 by Hooverman Log in to reply |
| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 17:01 #60863 | |
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Sacro
1171 posts |
" said:Not quite, Gatwick Express is only a brand of Southern, the trading name for Southern Railway Limited.... " said: I'm unsure on whether that the 442 drivers only sign those units, or whether there are people that drive other Southern units that occasionally run the 442s, branding has changed a lot, there's no more 'Gatwick' on the side of the units, and I think only the conductors have GX uniforms, drivers and catering staff have Southern uniforms. Ticketing restrictions are a bit of an interesting one, Southern have always issued 'goodwill gestures' to people charged excesses for using 'SOUTHERN ONLY' tickets. Log in to reply |
| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 17:07 #60864 | |
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benstafford
88 posts |
Surely someone must be pleased to see the back of 313s on the Moorgate Inners.
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| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 17:08 #60865 | |
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benstafford
88 posts |
Also yippee. Looks like Southern extended rather than FCC extended.
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| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 18:58 #60869 | |
Gwasanaethau
509 posts |
" said:Drivers wear GatEx uniforms on GatEx services. 442s on other services (I would imagine) are driven by drivers and worked-on by guards in Southern uniforms. Whether these are the same people that normally wear GatEx uniforms on GatEx services, I really wouldn’t know. I am not sure what you mean by ‘catering staff’ as the buffets have been removed for quite some time now. Log in to reply |
| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 19:13 #60870 | |
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Sacro
1171 posts |
" said:Yes, that's tautological. " said: GatEx uniforms would be Southern uniforms, though perhaps not "Southern" branded, I'm unsure whether people work both. " said: I am not sure what you mean by ‘catering staff’ as the buffets have been removed for quite some time now.This was reading an old post on the matter, I didn't realise they'd stopped the catering! Log in to reply |
| TSGN 23/05/2014 at 19:33 #60871 | |
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Gwasanaethau
509 posts |
" said:" said:Yes, that's tautological. Indeed. However, you mentioned that the drivers on GatEx services wore Southern uniforms. They don’t. They wear GatEx uniforms. " said: " said:Whilst true, you did differentiate between “GX uniforms” and “Southern uniforms” in your previous post, so I was merely continuing with that way of referencing. Apologies for the confusion. If you want, you can indeed substitute ‘branded’ into my quote as this is what I meant.GatEx uniforms would be Southern uniforms, though perhaps not "Southern" branded, I'm unsure whether people work both. " said: " said:I am not sure what you mean by ‘catering staff’ as the buffets have been removed for quite some time now.This was reading an old post on the matter, I didn't realise they'd stopped the catering! Fair enough. B) I am not sure when they were removed. Definitely after the 442s had been on the Gatwick services for a time, but it is certainly years since they were removed. (According to Wikipedia this started around 2008, so actually not as long after they moved as I originally thought.) Log in to reply |