Christmas Quiz 2015

Peter

That is not really the situation I am posing. What I am saying is when you put A > B into the National Rail site you may get reasonably direct options like A > X > B, A > Y > B or A > Z > B which will be governed by the National Rail connection times at X, Y or Z. However, what if A > London > B is actually quicker? What time is allowed for connection out of arriving train at London to departing train at London (whether at a single turn-round station of where you go from one London terminal to another) where the route is not suggested by National Rail? If we were travelling from for example South West to Scotland and Network Rail sent us via Cross Country when there was a potentially quicker route via Paddington/Euston should we try and find something from intermediate points for the same trains we would like to use (like maybe Reading to Watford Junction) to give transfer times - which leaves wide open the problem if a train is non-stop Exeter - Paddington then Euston - Preston leapfrogging the Cross- Country option on the way?

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I am applying a rule that as long as each individual connection is valid on the national rail journey planner. I think this covers your scenario. So if ABC and BCD are valid then ABCD is valid.

Peter.

Peter

That is not really the situation I am posing. What I am saying is when you put A > B into the National Rail site you may get reasonably direct options like A > X > B, A > Y > B or A > Z > B which will be governed by the National Rail connection times at X, Y or Z. However, what if A > London > B is actually quicker? What time is allowed for connection out of arriving train at London to departing train at London (whether at a single turn-round station of where you go from one London terminal to another) where the route is not suggested by National Rail? If we were travelling from for example South West to Scotland and Network Rail sent us via Cross Country when there was a potentially quicker route via Paddington/Euston should we try and find something from intermediate points for the same trains we would like to use (like maybe Reading to Watford Junction) to give transfer times - which leaves wide open the problem if a train is non-stop Exeter - Paddington then Euston - Preston leapfrogging the Cross- Country option on the way?

Have to say my modus operandii was just to ensure the service ran and that the connection wasn't too short - I didn't check routes were valid in National Rail beforehand. I don't think it has to be quite that prescribed - as long as the service runs and you follow the connection rules.

EDIT: I'd go as far as to say that finding the "quicker" route is part of the game - I'd managed to get myself half an hour ahead of the previous leader by changing at Taunton rather than sitting on the rattler up to Cardiff. take your point that it might not be listed, though.

EDIT 2: Another one for the consecutive stations:
Watford High Street
Watford Junction
Watford North

MUCH more contentious :P

Originally started working from Danny252's route.

Queens Park (Glasgow) 1652 – Glasgow Central 1659 (SCT)
Glasgow Central 1730 – Milton Keynes Central 2148 (VT)
Milton Keynes Central 2159 – Watford Junction 2220 (VT)
Watford Junction 2227 – Harrow & Wealdstone 2233 (SR)
Harrow & Wealdstone 2242 – Queens Park (London) 2304 – London Waterloo 2326 (LUL Bakerloo)
London Waterloo 2352 – Queenstown Road 2359 – Clapham Junction 0002 (SWT)
Clapham Junction 0012 – London Victoria 0019 (SR)
London Victoria 0037 – Gillingham 0140 (SE)
Gillingham 0456 – Queenborough 0520 (SE)
Queenborough 0536 – Sittingbourne 0549 (SE)
Sittingbourne 0600 – Bromley South 0649 (SE)
Bromley South 0704 – Beckenham Junction 0709 (SE)
Beckenham Junction 0715 – Queens Road (Peckham) 0745 (SR)
Queens Road (Peckham) 0755 – London Bridge 0808 (SR)
London Bridge 0818 – London Paddington 0848 (LUL Jubilee and LUL Bakerloo)
London Paddington 0915 – Cardiff Central 1123 (GWR)
Cardiff Central 1156 – Quakers Yard 1238 (ATW)
Quakers Yard 1255 – Cardiff Central 1339 (ATW)
Cardiff Central 1400 – Bristol Temple Meads 1451 (GWR)
Bristol Temple Meads 1513 – Taunton 1544 (CC)
Taunton 1549 – Par 1821 (GWR)
Par 1829 – Quintrell Downs 1910 (GWR)

Total time: 26:18

The journey can start from Glasgow Queens Park later than this. If the 17:07 departure is taken, this arrives in Glasgow Central 17:16 which gives plenty of time to make the 17:30 to Euston, bringing the time down to 26:03

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The journey can start from Glasgow Queens Park later than this. If the 17:07 departure is taken, this arrives in Glasgow Central 17:16 which gives plenty of time to make the 17:30 to Euston, bringing the time down to 26:03

The minimum connecting time for Glasgow Central is 15 minutes so the Journey Planner won't allow it.

Peter.

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The journey can start from Glasgow Queens Park later than this. If the 17:07 departure is taken, this arrives in Glasgow Central 17:16 which gives plenty of time to make the 17:30 to Euston, bringing the time down to 26:03

The minimum connecting time for Glasgow Central is 15 minutes so the Journey Planner won't allow it.

Peter.

Unless you are going to/from the Low Level platforms that is probably overstated by about 10 minutes but that's the rules . . .

6. Where are there three successive stations on the national rail network starting with the same word?

Ryde Pier Head; Ryde Pier; Ryde Esplanade.

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6. Where are there three successive stations on the national rail network starting with the same word?

Ryde Pier Head; Ryde Pier; Ryde Esplanade.

I thought it was Ryde Pier Head, Ryde Esplanade, and Ryde St Johns Road. That would count :)

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6. Where are there three successive stations on the national rail network starting with the same word?

Ryde Pier Head; Ryde Pier; Ryde Esplanade.

I thought it was Ryde Pier Head, Ryde Esplanade, and Ryde St Johns Road. That would count :)

That's what I meant :whistle:

My contribution to the timetable challenge:

Google Docs Link

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My contribution to the timetable challenge:

Google Docs Link

Many thanks, but the NationalRail website imposes a 15 minute connection time between National Rail and Underground services so I can't replicated your times.

I make your overall time 34hrs 09 min (21:32 on 11/1/16 to 07:41 on 13/1/16)


Peter.

1. What can’t you do at Thurso between 03:00 and 03:01? - The answer has a three legged conection.


2. What have the Civil Aviation Authority and Bellary airport, India so far failed to do in 2015.
   Civil Aviation Authority -> CAA -> Coventry Arena
   Bellamy airport, India -> BEP -> Bermuda Park
   Both stations have failed to open in 2015 as planned


3. Where are the following stations:
   
   [li]a. Jar - Oslo, Norway
   
   • b. Shopping - This is in a capital city
   
   
   • c. Times Square - Suzhou, China & Detroit, MI, USA
   
   
   • d. Welcome- Delhi
   [/li]
   
4. What are the (primarily) railway World Heritage Sights?
   [li]The Forth Bridge
   • The Semmeringbahn, Austria
   • Rhaetian Railway, Switzerland
   • Blaenavon
   • The Darjeeling Himalaya Railway, India
   • . . .and more
   [/li]
   
5. Where are the following clips from sims taken from? Please give the location and Sim. Any give-away text has been removed.
   
   [li]a. Clapham Junction, Windsor Line, Waterloo
   • b. Coalville Town, Derby
   
   
   • c. Hatton, Saltley
   • d. Worksop, Worksop
   
   
   • e. Llandudno Junction, North Wales Coast
   • f. Waterloo Depot, Drain
   
   
   • g. Barnt Green, Saltley
   • h. Lichfield City, Aston
   [/li]
   
6. Where are there three successive stations on the national rail network starting with the same word?
   [li]London Charing Cross, London Waterloo (East) & London Bridge
   
   • Ardrossan South Beach, Ardrossan Town & Ardrossan Harbour
   
   
   • Exeter Central, Exeter St Davids & Exeter St Thomas
   
   
   • Cardiff Bay, Cardiff Queen Street & Cardiff Central
   
   
   • Barry Island, Barry & Barry Docks
   
   
   • Watford High Street, Watford Junction & Watford North
   
   
   • Ryde Pier Head, Ryde Esplanade, and Ryde St Johns Road
   [/li]
   
7. What are there three, four and seven of on the national rail network? - Oaks


8. Why is 2cm important on the Far North Line? - Think records


9. Which London station may need parking for space craft in the future? - There is a proposal to rename Norwood Junction as Norwood Intergalactic


10. . Timetable Challenge. Starting at any time on Monday 11th January, what is the shortest time that you can take to visit every station on the national rail network starting with the letter "Q"?
    
    
    [li]You do not need to alight at a “Q” station, but the train must stop.
    
    • You can start and finish at any station.
    
    
    • The "Q" stations are: Quakers Yard, Queenborough, Queens Park (Glasgow), Queens Park (London), Queens Road (Peckham), Queenstown Road (Battersea) and Quintrell Downs.
    
    
    • The National Rail web site will be taken as definitive for times.
    
    
    • Out of stations transfers are allowed when shown by the National Rail journey planner (standard timings for London)
    
    
    • The time is from departure from the first station, until arrival at the final station.
    
    
    • Please list the arrival and departure time at every station you change at, and the times at “Q” stations.
    
    
    • Sorry, no prizes.
    
    
    • Closing date Monday 4th January.
    
    
    The best time so far is 26h 18m by Prime Detective.[/li]
    

3a someone got.

Peter

3d delhi

4. Rhaetian Railway, and I would argue Blaenavon as well

1. What can’t you do at Thurso between 03:00 and 03:01? - You can't depart for Douglas (Isle of Man). Ticket restriction code 6N


2. What have the Civil Aviation Authority and Bellary airport, India so far failed to do in 2015.
   Civil Aviation Authority -> CAA -> Coventry Arena
   Bellamy airport, India -> BEP -> Bermuda Park
   Both stations have failed to open in 2015 as planned


3. Where are the following stations:
   
   [li]a. Jar - Oslo, Norway
   
   • b. Shopping - Brasilia, Brazil
   
   
   • c. Times Square - Suzhou, China & Detroit, MI, USA
   
   
   • d. Welcome- Delhi, India
   [/li]
   
4. What are the (primarily) railway World Heritage Sights?
   [li]The Forth Bridge, UK
   • The Semmeringbahn, Austria
   • Rhaetian Railway, Switzerland/Italy
   • Blaenavon, UK
   • The Darjeeling Himalaya Railway, India
   • The Nilgiri Mountain Railway, India
   • The Kalka-Shimla Railway, India
   • Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, Mumbai, India
   [/li]
   
5. Where are the following clips from sims taken from? Please give the location and Sim. Any give-away text has been removed.
   
   [li]a. Clapham Junction, Windsor Line, Waterloo
   • b. Coalville Town, Derby
   
   
   • c. Hatton, Saltley
   • d. Worksop, Worksop
   
   
   • e. Llandudno Junction, North Wales Coast
   • f. Waterloo Depot, Drain
   
   
   • g. Barnt Green, Saltley
   • h. Lichfield City, Aston
   [/li]
   
6. Where are there three successive stations on the national rail network starting with the same word?
   [li]London Charing Cross, London Waterloo (East) & London Bridge
   
   • Ardrossan South Beach, Ardrossan Town & Ardrossan Harbour
   
   
   • Exeter Central, Exeter St Davids & Exeter St Thomas
   
   
   • Cardiff Bay, Cardiff Queen Street & Cardiff Central
   
   
   • Barry Island, Barry & Barry Docks
   
   
   • Watford High Street, Watford Junction & Watford North
   
   
   • Ryde Pier Head, Ryde Esplanade, and Ryde St Johns Road
   [/li]
   
7. What are there three, four and seven of on the national rail network? - Oaks


8. Why is 2cm important on the Far North Line? - Beauly, the shortest platform in the UK is 2cm shorter than the nearby Conon Bridge station.


9. Which London station may need parking for space craft in the future? - There is a proposal to rename Norwood Junction as Norwood Intergalactic


10. . Timetable Challenge. Starting at any time on Monday 11th January, what is the shortest time that you can take to visit every station on the national rail network starting with the letter "Q"?
    
    
    [li]You do not need to alight at a “Q” station, but the train must stop.
    
    • You can start and finish at any station.
    
    
    • The "Q" stations are: Quakers Yard, Queenborough, Queens Park (Glasgow), Queens Park (London), Queens Road (Peckham), Queenstown Road (Battersea) and Quintrell Downs.
    
    
    • The National Rail web site will be taken as definitive for times.
    
    
    • Out of stations transfers are allowed when shown by the National Rail journey planner (standard timings for London)
    
    
    • The time is from departure from the first station, until arrival at the final station.
    
    
    • Please list the arrival and departure time at every station you change at, and the times at “Q” stations.
    
    
    • Sorry, no prizes.
    
    
    • Closing date Monday 4th January.
    
    
    The best time was 26h 18m by Prime Detective.[/li]