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| Derby PSB - a few comments 03/04/2017 at 13:39 #94304 | |
VInce
579 posts |
Been playing and enjoying this sim very much since I worked in Derby PSB in the 80s and 90s. It is a most excellent simulation which is best played, in my opinion over two large screens with both halves of the panel shown. I have played the whole 24 hours and I'd like to make a number of constructive comments (not criticism by any means) :- 1) Trains from the west to Burton West Yard. The normal method of entry is to run GL from Leicester Jcn and run up towards Clay Mills and stand so as the rear of the train is in advance of GPS 172, which is then cleared for the movement to Burton West Yard. I have tried to do that with 4M69 and 6D37 and nothing happens. The trains actually call up from 181 signal expecting that to be cleared. The only way to remove the train is to route it via 181 to an arbitrary destination. I routed mine over the Chellaston Branch and they disappeared. I haven't tried it with 4B21 as it didn't run. 2) 4Q71 2141 Derby RTC - Crewe. Runs out of the RTC Serco exit to P6 and then should reverse to run via Stenson. Nothing happens when 446 signal is cleared towards Stenson and the train actually calls up from 456 and expects that to be cleared at the north end. The only way to remove the train was to route is to an arbitrary destination. I sent it to Chaddesden sidings and lost it there! 3) Derby North Junction When it is required to run round a train on the goods line (like 5X78 and 5X77) the train need to be shown to run to the furthest end of the GL otherwise the loco stands foul of GPS 448 signal after re-attachment. Additionally the engine is detached at the north end of the goods line and is signalled forwards onto the DGL where is should run to stand clear of GPS 473 signal. What actually happens is that the loco runs forward and stands clear of the points required for the RR but not clear of GPS 473, so an unsignalled move has to be made by locking the points reverse. I believe they should be shown to run to "GPS 473 rev" Similarly with 5L86, which is shown to run to St Mary's North when is need to be shown to "GPS 473 rev" I'm in the process of updating my timetables to reflect the issues above. Should I find any more, then I publish them here. Many thanks though, for an excellent sim which I can assure you it is most lifelike and a real challenge even for one who knows the box well. Thanks Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 03/04/2017 at 13:43 #94305 | |
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VInce
579 posts |
A couple of additional things I've found 6M49 has multiple three entries which all appear one after the other at Clay Cross - I have deleted two of them in my own timetable. 6M51 has three entries too which all appear one after the other and I have deleted two of them from my own timetable. Thanks again Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 03/04/2017 at 14:02 #94306 | |
MarkC
1105 posts |
In response to the trains 6M49 and 6M51, they are all correct in being in the timetable, and they do not run or enter at the same time, TT rules should prevent this, even tho they appear the same SimSig uses unique ID for each trains and those trains you mentioned all have different UID's, I took a look at the trains you mentioned in your second post , and they all have differnt start points/times (this is Train origin location not on sim but taken from real world,) as the trains may run from different location or take a different route on any give day, but still use the same TD. Added Info Just had a look at the rules and the rules to prevent more than one of the 6M49 and 6M51 (and others) appear to be missing . Last edited: 03/04/2017 at 14:22 by MarkC Reason: Spelling Log in to reply The following user said thank you: VInce |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 03/04/2017 at 14:51 #94307 | |
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Jan
906 posts |
VInce in post 94304 said:1) Trains from the west to Burton West Yard. Those trains are missing a location entry for Burton Wetmore Jn, so they can reverse before entering the West Yard. Also note that in all cases where you run into that kind of timetable errors and it's already too late for amending the timetable, you can manually reverse the train by using the context menu in the F2 train list. Two million people attempt to use Birmingham's magnificent rail network every year, with just over a million of them managing to get further than Smethwick. Last edited: 03/04/2017 at 17:31 by Jan Reason: typo Log in to reply The following user said thank you: VInce |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 03/04/2017 at 15:36 #94309 | |
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VInce
579 posts |
Thanks - I've just experimented and found that adding Wetmore Jcn sorts it out. Thanks very much Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 03/04/2017 at 15:48 #94311 | |
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Danny252
1461 posts |
mark265 in post 94306 said:Just had a look at the rules and the rules to prevent more than one of the 6M49 and 6M51 (and others) appear to be missing .I believe that issue is known, and has been awaiting correction since the included timetable was released. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: MarkC, VInce, KymriskaDraken |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 03/04/2017 at 19:50 #94314 | |
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Hpotter
205 posts |
Hi guys, Just to keep you all informed, I shall be having a dev fix up session all being well over the next week or so...(work depending) Many thanks for the reports so far, and it's good to hear that people are using the sim. Many thanks, Howard. Log in to reply The following users said thank you: derbybest, VInce |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 05/04/2017 at 01:23 #94324 | |
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VInce
579 posts |
Having spent a lot of time in Derby PSB I can assure you its an excellent sim. Very lifelike and just as challenging as a shift in the old box with three panels would have been. Its hard work to do what, in days gone by, three signallers would be doing. The hardest thing is keeping your eyes on Spondon and Clay Mills barriers. I got a score of 89% first time round but I should have done better having known the box so well and my main delays were at the barriers. I hope you don't think I was nitpicking by pointing out the a few issues. I really do appreciate the amount of work that goes into a sim of this sort. Thanks again, Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply The following user said thank you: BarryM |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 05/04/2017 at 03:35 #94325 | |
BarryM
2158 posts |
VInce in post 94324 said:Having spent a lot of time in Derby PSB I can assure you its an excellent sim. Very lifelike and just as challenging as a shift in the old box with three panels would have been. Its hard work to do what, in days gone by, three signallers would be doing. The hardest thing is keeping your eyes on Spondon and Clay Mills barriers. I got a score of 89% first time round but I should have done better having known the box so well and my main delays were at the barriers.It is extremely good having ones first hand knowledge of Derby PSB. Hears hoping Mr Potter can get the sim up and running after many years waiting for it. Barry Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply The following user said thank you: derbybest |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 05/04/2017 at 11:51 #94328 | |
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VInce
579 posts |
A little bit of help please - all points in the Drakelow Area are locked normal. How do I remove the locking so as they can be operated by the route setting? Also, I can't seem to set a route from DY136 at Birmingham Curve Jcn towards DY102 on Branston Curve. That route was regularly used at one time for coal traffic from the Coalville area to the west so I'm pretty sure there should be a route there. The only thing I can't remember is whether that route requires the approach track circuit to DY136 to be occupied. Any help please? I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 05/04/2017 at 12:32 by VInce Reason: corrected Log in to reply |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 05/04/2017 at 13:22 #94331 | |
Steamer
3985 posts |
VInce in post 94328 said:A little bit of help please - all points in the Drakelow Area are locked normal. How do I remove the locking so as they can be operated by the route settingYou need to start the simulation in an earlier era- the points are locked in the later ones when the power station closed. This may or may not be the answer to your second question as well, I don't have the simulation in front of me to check. "Don't stress/ relax/ let life roll off your backs./ Except for death and paying taxes/ everything in life.../ is only for now." (Avenue Q) Log in to reply The following users said thank you: VInce, Noisynoel |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 05/04/2017 at 16:06 #94333 | |
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VInce
579 posts |
Thank you - that is indeed true regarding the points in the Drakelow area. However I'm certain the lack of a route from DY136 to DY102 is an error. A route exists from halfway round the curve, i.e. from DY102 to DY94 on the main line, similarly a route exists from the main line DY95 right around the curve via DY137 to DY133 at Drakelow West so not to have a route from DY136 to DY102 is illogical. There were, even in the 2006 era, a few Cliffe Hill - Bescot trains conveying engineers ballast which ran this way. Also I can't find any routes from GPS DY97 at Branston Jcn (which has a comment "97 slot off" - for the life of me I can't remember the reason for that but I could find out) I'm reasonably sure (but not 100%) that DY97 also read off the down main around the curve towards DY137. The routing issues appear to be the same in any era so there must be an error here. I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Last edited: 05/04/2017 at 16:22 by VInce Reason: edit Log in to reply |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 05/04/2017 at 16:35 #94334 | |
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MarkC
1105 posts |
VInce in post 94333 said:Thank you - that is indeed true regarding the points in the Drakelow area.To set the route over the curve from DY136 to DY102 you need to click on 136 and click on the triangle near GF release or near shunt signal DY135 (see 1st attached picture). it will set the route onto the curve, the route is over track you do not control so therefore you cannot set from DY136 to DY102 but the train does travel the route to signal DY102 and once the train is there you can then set the route from DY102.    As for DY97 slot it is for use with the ground frame coming of the DN into for lack of a better term yard, to set the route to the yard you need to release the slot from the GF then set the route from DY97 to the Traingle as show in attached picture, an the route should set. 
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| Derby PSB - a few comments 05/04/2017 at 17:42 #94336 | |
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VInce
579 posts |
Thank you so much for this - its been 20 years since I left there and I guess some things I have just plain forgotten but I should have understood the routing from 136. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to spell it out for me.. Regards, Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |
| Derby PSB - a few comments 31/10/2017 at 14:59 #102590 | |
Chrisrail
384 posts |
Let's get Nick Allsop involved!!!
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| Derby PSB - a few comments 31/10/2017 at 15:54 #102591 | |
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VInce
579 posts |
Indeed , where is he when we need him!.. Vince I walk around inside the questions of my day, I navigate the inner reaches of my disarray, I pass the altars where fools and thieves hold sway, I wait for night to come and lift this dread away : Jackson Browne - The Night Inside Me Log in to reply |