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| tinsly youtube clip 02/06/2010 at 17:13 #1319 | |
ozzyd9001
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hi all appologies if this link has been posted before but its a very interesting one for the sheffield sim lovers all about tinslys marshaling yards from the 60`s to present day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dZIFKVEFlI&playnext_from=TL&videos=d2c9f9Jb79w&feature=grec_index hope you enjoy yours paul Log in to reply |
| tinsly youtube clip 02/06/2010 at 17:13 #9462 | |
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ozzyd9001
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hi all appologies if this link has been posted before but its a very interesting one for the sheffield sim lovers all about tinslys marshaling yards from the 60`s to present day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dZIFKVEFlI&playnext_from=TL&videos=d2c9f9Jb79w&feature=grec_index hope you enjoy yours paul Log in to reply |
| tinsly youtube clip 02/06/2010 at 23:46 #9464 | |
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Lardybiker
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There is a four part video about Tinsley on YouTube that I happened upon that depicts it from the very early days through to modern day. The first part of the video above was part of that. Was a very intersting 1/2 an hour or so watching all the parts...Sad though in a way too that all that technology just went to waste as the way the UK railways changed how they dealt with freight made it obsolete.
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| tinsly youtube clip 03/06/2010 at 08:19 #9471 | |
moonraker
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When I was still at school Tinsley & Toton were the "Meccas" or "Holy Grail" of places to visit. I and a friend used to go to York on an excursion which ran from Swindon on sundays about twice a year. It very often went via the Erewash Valley past Toton and through Sheffield as well though not Tinsley. But good fun trying to take down all the numbers going past Toton.
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| tinsly youtube clip 03/06/2010 at 09:22 #9472 | |
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kbarber
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Lardybiker said:<snip> True enough, although massive amounts of hump shunting weren't really the best way to run an efficient wagonload service (IMO). During the mid '80s the Speedlink wagonload system was able to offer timetabled transits and some very sophisticated portion working that would've been completely impossible with a hump-based system. At Willesden, Speedlink was dealt with in Brent Sidings (between the Royal Mail Centre and the main line, nowadays what's left of it is full of all sorts of Civil Engineer's stuff (that wasn't quite the word we used when it came our way!) and redundant kit). The "evening peak" took about 4 - 5 hours to sort out; about 6 trains in from Anglia (as it became), Southern & Western regions, 3 of which went back again clearing traffic that had accumulated since the morning, followed by making up 4 or 5 - usually long & heavy - northbound trains, which departed between about 21:00 and 22:30. Watching that lot being put together was an education in itself. Nights was truly fascinating, with the southbound trunk hauls arriving at intervals and some rather tight margins to make connections with outbound services. Perhaps the most carefully watched was the "Plumsted Paper", loaded at Corpach the previous afternoon and worked to Mossend Yard to run class 4 to us; it had to go out on 6O88, which had to get to Hoo in time to be clear of the clockwork railway's peak traffic (the down road would be full of ECS being "bounced back" to form a second up working) so the paper was delivered to Plumsted by about 06:30 at the latest. On at least one occasion 4M38 ran late so the Hoo traffic was left over for the second Dover (which ran that way); locos were changed, the paper vans hooked off and the formalities completed and 6O88 was on its way within 10 minutes of 4M38 arriving. Those were the days! Log in to reply |
| tinsly youtube clip 03/06/2010 at 21:02 #9480 | |
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Osprey
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I remember those nights at Willesden Brent and the smell of the biscuits.When I was a secondman the Plumstead used to leave just behind a Dover via Hither Green and Tonbridge.This was fully crewed and was last leg of a tedius night shift for the secondman which had involved passing to Ashford to work a light engine back to Hither Green where the ED for the Plumstead was attached.Then light to Clapham Jn to pick up the driver for the Dover and on to Willesden,split the locos and work back on the Dover. The later service that some times the Plumstead traffic went on usually ran to Dover via Hither Green,Hoo Jn and Canterbury East.Before I was at Hither Green I was at Plumstead and this train normally caused chaos! 9 out of 10 times it was too long for the yard so it pulled in and out the other end and the paper and coal would be tied off and left in on of the loops and every available hand was required to relay hand signals to the driver.The off-peak service then was a train every 15 mins or so,so we had to be sharpish! A loco had to nip over from Hither Green to shunt the wagons to the unloading sdgs.I recall this happening about three times one week and a manager got up tight because it was costing a fortune! Later on when I was at Hither Green and that shunt was required all it did was break up a card school,the loco was twenty odd years old and sitting in the shed doing nothing,the crew being paid to play cards and long before track access charges.The managers costed it at one crews wages per annum and god knows how much for the loco! Log in to reply |
| tinsly youtube clip 04/06/2010 at 12:06 #9487 | |
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kbarber
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Osprey said:I remember those nights at Willesden Brent and the smell of the biscuits.<snip> I'd forgotten the biscuit factory! And the locos coming in coupled. I imagine we must've met at some point. Wonder if you're coming to the London meet, & if we'll recognise each other (I'm still hoping to get there although I'm struggling with a diary clash). Osprey said: The later service that some times the Plumstead traffic went on Don't think that happened very much; there were heavy penalty payments on the Paper so we moved heaven & earth to get it on 6O88 even if, as I said yesterday, the rest of the 6O88 traffic was left over for the second Dover (do I recall it rightly as 6O89?) That was a pain if it did happen as it meant a road full of cement empties (usually) that we always wanted to clear to make room for the morning shunts, but the paper was much too important. Log in to reply |
| tinsly youtube clip 06/06/2010 at 07:55 #9497 | |
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Osprey
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You are right it didnt happen often (my poor usage of Enlgish!) as it caused complete chaos at Plumstead! Thinking about it I seem to recall the week when it did happen two or three times was due to snow. Dartford Wharfage was the company in 9 and 10 roads in Plumstead Yard for the paper and Charringtons were the coal merchants.Ive still got one of my note books with all the wagon numbers and placement times,which surprised me as the gaffer usually took them off you to check on the times as there was a"strong suspicion" that the Dartford Wharfage boys were at it! "allegedly" 6O89 rings a bell,think that was the Dundee-Dover that got relief at Hither Green a touch after 10:00.I can check on that as I went on that service as part of my secondmans course and had to write about it so Ill dig the book out. The other one that sticks in my mind is 6O63 to Crawley New Yard which I did my first driving turn on,a train full of Evian water! Their gaffer always gave you a case of water after you shunted the vans in to the warehouse.Wish it had been a train full of beer! PS Not sure where Ill be when the meet is on due to being on a medical waiting list. Log in to reply |
| tinsly youtube clip 07/06/2010 at 09:29 #9510 | |
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kbarber
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Osprey said:
Is my memory going or was this after I'd left? I thought 6O63 was the cornflakes; Old Trafford - Brent, arriving at the beginning of the night shift & splitting to form '63 and one to Welwyn GC (whose headcode I forget). Log in to reply |
| tinsly youtube clip 07/06/2010 at 09:40 #9511 | |
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Osprey
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Could have been after you left,it was 88/91 ish that 6O63 ran to Crawley.I was at Norwood as a driver.That train also had sand for Holmethorpe on it that was detached at Redhill.Im sure it was 6O63 cos I found a copy of the Norwood drivers diagrams from Jan 90 and 6O63 was in the diagrams.
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| tinsly youtube clip 08/06/2010 at 09:13 #9530 | |
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kbarber
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Osprey said:Could have been after you left,it was 88/91 ish that 6O63 ran to Crawley.I was at Norwood as a driver.That train also had sand for Holmethorpe on it that was detached at Redhill.Im sure it was 6O63 cos I found a copy of the Norwood drivers diagrams from Jan 90 and 6O63 was in the diagrams. That makes sense then. 6O63 always did go to Crawley but clearly the traffic changed (I know the Evian flows started after I'd left). I was in the Brent 1983 - 85 (ish), with Ben & Dave Minney as the other supervisors. Chargeman on my shift was Mitch, not only one of the nicest guys you could hope to meet but had a memory that was photographic plus - typical performance when incoming shunt lists printed about 5pm was for him to have a quick look, lounge in the doorway watching as each train rolled in, then shunt the entire evening peak from memory; if a train came in wrong-formed he'd see it & grab the shunt list & run off down the yard to double-check, but I never knew him wrong. Log in to reply |
| tinsly youtube clip 08/06/2010 at 11:16 #9533 | |
MJD
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A great clip.
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| tinsly youtube clip 19/06/2010 at 12:10 #9714 | |
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broodje
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I found a bunch of pictures from the tinsley panel, interesting to see how large it was all set up once. http://gallery148239.fotopic.net/p65427975.html
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