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| You can be mighty lucky 14/08/2010 at 11:19 #1617 | |
BarryM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10964766 Well done by all concerned. BarryM Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 14/08/2010 at 11:19 #10711 | |
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BarryM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10964766 Well done by all concerned. BarryM Barry, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 14/08/2010 at 14:22 #10712 | |
flymo
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BarryM said:Well done by all concerned.Sorry but something seriously wrong if a train can run away. Something somewhere was not 'well done' Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 14/08/2010 at 17:24 #10713 | |
Peter Bennet
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The bit I find strange is how if it became detached from a towing train to managed to head south on the Southbound during normal running hours. Does the tube have tripcocks installed as part of the signal interlocking as standard? Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 14/08/2010 at 18:20 #10715 | |
Danny252
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The story going round on the Freightmaster Forum is that it was a rail grinder with its brakes isolated (for whatever reason), which then proceeded to become detached from its train (failed couplings were mentioned).
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| You can be mighty lucky 15/08/2010 at 07:52 #10722 | |
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ralphjwchadkirk
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On the Underground when a train is being towed via the emergency coupling the air and tripcocks are isolated in accordance with the rule book.
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| You can be mighty lucky 15/08/2010 at 08:10 #10723 | |
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Peter Bennet
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I'm still perplexed as to how it ran South on the Southbound by a train towing it unless the train was moving North on the Southbound but it appears there were service trains around which would make that difficult. If it was towing North on the Northbound there is no crossover to the Southbound till around Mornington C and it must have been moving South on the Southbound otherwise running trains 'fast' in front of it does not make sense. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 15/08/2010 at 09:29 #10725 | |
headshot119
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It was moving North on the Southbound "Bang road" in underground terms. The brakes on the grinder where isolated, and so where the trip cocks. The trip cocks have to be isolated on the failed train, otherwise you would get "middle tripped".
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| You can be mighty lucky 15/08/2010 at 10:23 #10726 | |
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Peter Bennet
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Yes that was the only thing that made sense to me save that the report indicated a near miss at Archway of a service train which implied there was a Southbound service train running as normal while all this was going on which made me question the accuracy of the report. Thanks Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 15/08/2010 at 12:47 #10729 | |
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metcontrol
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During the period between normal start of service and the time of incident, because of the initially broken down engineering train blocking the line, the service was operating as far north as Archway, and reversing via the siding there. When the incident occurred, the 1 service train affected had just arrived at Archway southbound platform. Despite what the media will have you believe, there was only 1 service train that needed to be "got out of the way" so to speak. Whatever the outcome of the inquiry, the quick thinking of the Service Control staff should be recognised - both in getting the service train out of the way and in their attempts to stop the runaway train (with the use of points set against the train being one method employed.)
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| You can be mighty lucky 15/08/2010 at 13:06 #10730 | |
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kbarber
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metcontrol said:(with the use of points set against the train being one method employed.) Meaning deliberately allowing points to be run through? Good thinking, but it can't have helped the recovery from the incident - running through locked trailing points can cause a lot of damage! Good work on the controllers/signalmens'/regulator's part though... it had the potential to be very nasty, by the sound of it. Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 15/08/2010 at 13:14 #10732 | |
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Peter Bennet
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Now that does make sense now. Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 15/08/2010 at 15:15 #10733 | |
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ewanm89
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kbarber said:metcontrol wrote: Damage is a lot better then colliding with the service train. Grats to the signalmen for there quick acting, and to the driver of the service train too. Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 15/08/2010 at 18:15 #10740 | |
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Danny252
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ewanm89 said:kbarber said:The damage is done to the pointwork - I've always been told that a train going at any noteworthy speed isn't going to bothered too much by trailing points being set and locked against it.metcontrol wrote: Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 16/08/2010 at 15:37 #10755 | |
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ewanm89
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Danny252 said:The damage is done to the pointwork - I've always been told that a train going at any noteworthy speed isn't going to bothered too much by trailing points being set and locked against it. Of course it is, but pointwork damage can be fixed a lot easier than people can. Anyway, what do you call a noteworthy speed, the Northern Line trains have a pretty low max speed of 45MPH (limited from 65MPH). Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 16/08/2010 at 18:31 #10760 | |
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UKTrainMan
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Just thought I'd mention 'The Tubeprune' - apart from the interesting pages, including various London Underground signalling pages, there are some interesting Route and Track Diagrams, including Northern Line diagrams, like the one for Archway which is related to this incident.
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| You can be mighty lucky 16/08/2010 at 18:34 #10761 | |
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metcontrol
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Without stirring the wrong sort of debate, or revealing anything "sensitive" to the inquiry itself... Regardless of actual speed limits, the runaway was just that, and could (theoretically) have reach higher than normal speeds. (It didn't though.) The setting of the points was done to try and achieve any slowing of the train that they could. Some reduction was, I understand, achieved and that probably contributed to the location it eventually stopped at. Had some speed not been taken out of it, it may have made it all the way to the top of the hill that stopped it. Not sure off the top of my head how far the up-hill stretches, or what comes after it. Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 16/08/2010 at 18:44 #10762 | |
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Peter Bennet
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UKTrainMan said:Just thought I'd mention Tubeprune - apart from the interesting pages, including various London Underground signalling pages, there are some interesting Route and Track Diagrams, including Northern Line diagrams, like the one for Archway which is related to this incident.Hmm track and signalling diagrams......... Peter I identify as half man half biscuit - crumbs! Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 16/08/2010 at 19:59 #10765 | |
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metcontrol
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Peter Bennet said:Hmm track and signalling diagrams.........Of which I have access to many more. But if I'm thinking the same as you're teasing, then keep in mind how reluctant the company has shown to be in the past... Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 18/08/2010 at 10:21 #10789 | |
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AndyG
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RAIB notification of Investigation into the runaway of an engineering train from Highgate to Warren Street on the Northern Line on 13 August 2010. {Strictly speaking this thread should be in the 'Open mic' section} I can only help one person a day. Today's not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look too good either. Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 18/08/2010 at 18:22 #10800 | |
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Quizman
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Video of 'control room' screen showing the incident available here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-11016085 Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 18/08/2010 at 18:39 #10801 | |
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metcontrol
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A fair few of those appearing - all apparently from "senior staff members / highly placed sources." "And a leaked report reveals the driver of the engineering train jumped clear at Highgate Tube" Not that leaked considering the fact is mentioned in the brief on the RAIB site. I've watched that replay first-hand at normal speed, not the 20x speed it was being watched at - which tends to increase the corruption in the data it shows. The corruption in this case shows the engineering train a lot closer than I saw it. Not denying they were close, but clearly this "Highly Placed Source" has intended to create a little more drama than if it had been watched slower. Log in to reply |
| You can be mighty lucky 18/08/2010 at 22:36 #10805 | |
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Danny252
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Quizman said:Video of 'control room' screen showing the incident available hereWhat I love best about is that someone (possibly the BBC) recorded the video, with a hand recorder, from something already on the web - note the last second or so where a list of "related videos" appears before they turn the camera off! Log in to reply |
