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When will it be available 27/10/2011 at 19:12 #22148
alley
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3 posts 		I'm a Signaller at Saltley PSB, and I was wondering when it will be available to use.

Thanks
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Re: When will it be available 27/10/2011 at 19:13 #22149
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3690 posts 		is saltley still open? i thought it had gone over to WMCC by now?
"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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Re: When will it be available 27/10/2011 at 19:17 #22150
alley
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3 posts 		The South Bottom Panel went over a few years ago, which covers Snow Hill to Startford and Leamington, and the Saltley North Panel which covers Tamworth, Daw Mill and the Numeaton line goes over next month, the Centre Panel goes over next year April time, and the South top panel goes over in a few years time.

Hope that helps
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Re: When will it be available 27/10/2011 at 19:17 #22151
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1803 posts 		Quote from this post from the simulation developer

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Sorry for the lack of updates on Saltley lately. I hope to have it ready very soon, unfortunatly I have had some pretty major personal issues lately, which as I am sure you will understand, take precidence over everything. Hope to get the ball rolling again very soon
But it is worth the wait...not only because of 2R43
Any views and / or opinions expressed by myself are from me personally and do not represent those of any company I either work for or am a consultant for.
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Re: When will it be available 27/10/2011 at 20:48 #22154
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748 posts 		I wonder if that will feature in a fax report delay for when 2R43 is in a timetable!
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Re: When will it be available 27/10/2011 at 20:51 #22155
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3690 posts 		" said:
Quote from this post from the simulation developer

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Sorry for the lack of updates on Saltley lately. I hope to have it ready very soon, unfortunatly I have had some pretty major personal issues lately, which as I am sure you will understand, take precidence over everything. Hope to get the ball rolling again very soon
But it is worth the wait...not only because of 2R43 :laugh:
one for a driver to report after inspecting a blocked line?
"We don't stop camborne wednesdays"
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Re: When will it be available 27/10/2011 at 22:37 #22156
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2084 posts 		Could always change him to 2R43-1 at Barnt Green with a 15-20mph speed, then to 2R43-2 at Alvechurch back to linespeed.
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Re: When will it be available 28/10/2011 at 12:32 #22170
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149 posts 		Interestingly, the signals in Snow Hill station have WM signal no. prefixes, whereas the ones from I THINK Leamington northwards all have LJ as the prefix.

BTW why does LJ3325 never seem to show a green aspect? Anything to do with the North Warwicks line?
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Re: When will it be available 28/10/2011 at 13:24 #22175
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494 posts 		Regarding Snow Hill, I presume it is now under the control of West Midlands Control Centre (near the site of Saltley PSB), hence the prefix WM.

Regarding Leamington, LJ relates to Leamington Signal Box (a Westcad I believe). Not sure about the signal though.

Sam
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Re: When will it be available 28/10/2011 at 18:01 #22185
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45 posts 		The way signals & points are pefixed on the West Midlnds Signalling Centre are to do with the line of route. LJ is Leamington Jewelery Quarter,
CB Coventry Birmingham, RC Rugby Coventry, LC Leamington Coventry, CN Coventry Nuneaton. Rugby SCC is done in a similar way and also Stoke SC

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Re: When will it be available 28/10/2011 at 23:53 #22191
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51 posts 		As far as I know, both WM and LJ signals are controlled from the West Midlands Control Centre (next to Saltley PSB). The difference is that, while the LJ signals are new signals on the line between Leamington and Jewellery Quarter, the WM signals are the same signals that used to be controlled from Saltley PSB, just replated; for example, the down starters at Moor Street used to be SY192 and SY194, but when control got transferred from Saltley to West Midlands they got renumbered (and replated) as WM192 and WM194.

I believe the box at Leamington remains; it was originally installed as a PSB in the 80s but got replaced by a WestCad in 2004(?) when the mechanical box at Fenny Compton was abolished and Banbury-Leamington upgraded from AB to TCB. That said, there were plans afoot to transfer (i.e. recontrol without resignalling) Leamington area to West Midlands...

But yeah, pretty much all the modern (post 2000) "big" signalling installations are done with two-letter codes to indicate line of route: it's used by (almost) all signals controlled from Rugby, Stoke, West Midlands (the new Saltley), East Midlands (the new Derby), South Wales (the new Cardiff)... The exception is Scotland, where the new control centre at Glasgow keeps to the Edinburgh/Paisley/Motherwell style of doing things, where the first letter indicates the box and the second the interlocking e.g. EH = Edinburgh, Haymarket or GS = Glasgow, Shields Jn.
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Re: When will it be available 29/10/2011 at 07:15 #22192
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54 posts 		underwood: LJ3325 as you know is on the down main at Acocks Green station. The next signal in advance is LJ3327 which protects Tyseley South Junction, then LJ3329 which protects Tyseley North Junction. Provided a route is set from LJ3329 and LJ3329 is showing a yellow, double yellow or green, then LL3325 will show a green. As you suggest, most of the trains through ACG on the down will be going across to the Down Snow Hill line at LJ3329, and often there will be another train on the up or down to/from the North Warwicks lines. There will be occasions when trains can get a clear run though - as I type, 2V12 has just left ACG and would have received a green aspect as the route is set and clear all the way to Bordesley.
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Re: When will it be available 30/10/2011 at 10:36 #22215
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149 posts 		Thanks all for the explanation of the signal post prefixes. It makes a lot of sense now.

As for LJ3325 which stands just about under the road overbridge, thanks again. I asked because I've stood on Acocks Green station loads of times and only ever seen it on green once - and that wasn't for long! It soon went back to single yellow without a trian passing. It seems to be on double yellow most of the time unless a train passes of course!

I hadn't realised that Banbury-Leamington had only fairly recently been converted to TCB. AFAICT, Marylebone- Aynho Junction is still AB - or is that incorrect now as well?
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Re: When will it be available 30/10/2011 at 11:03 #22218
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748 posts 		" said:
underwood: LJ3325 as you know is on the down main at Acocks Green station.
Me? I didn't say anything? :P

If anyone has the SimSig meet version of this, would someone be able to tell me the exit/entry locations for the Lichfield services please? I believe it it re-enters at the north end to a second exit point too?

Just got some times to save ready for TT creation, just it's long and need to cut the Lichfield part out, but I don't know where to as I don't know the entry/exit point!


Any help appreciated!

James.
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Re: When will it be available 30/10/2011 at 11:15 #22219
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699 posts 		The Redditch - Lichfields won't re-enter once they've left Saltley's area of control (to New Street PSB). New Street passes them to Aston SCC shortly after Aston North Jn (after they pass the physical location of Aston SCC!), which then controls them right up to Lichfield.
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Re: When will it be available 30/10/2011 at 15:06 #22230
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1743 posts 		" said:

I hadn't realised that Banbury-Leamington had only fairly recently been converted to TCB. AFAICT, Marylebone- Aynho Junction is still AB - or is that incorrect now as well?

Neasden - Risboro' was resignalled with TCB and MAS in the early 1990s, the first beneficiary of Chris Green's "total route modernisation" approach he developed for Network Southeast. Risboro;/Bicester/Aynho was TCB from the time the line was singled (1970s? - before my time anyway), with Bicester worked from a small panel in Risboro' North. And of course Marylebone - Neasden was TCB from 1923, with the first ever use of "daylight" colour lights on a British main line (as opposed to some suburban installations); most, if not all of those signals survived until the resignalling of the early '90s.
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Re: When will it be available 31/10/2011 at 14:16 #22327
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149 posts 		Thanks for that KBarber. I take it that Princes Risborough station area is still manually controlled as I've noticed the signals stay at red until a train is due, then go single yellow, then green rather than progessively returning to green a short while after a train has gone by (a-la Hampton-In Arden say).
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Re: When will it be available 31/10/2011 at 15:58 #22328
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6376 posts 		" said:
Thanks for that KBarber. I take it that Princes Risborough station area is still manually controlled as I've noticed the signals stay at red until a train is due, then go single yellow, then green rather than progessively returning to green a short while after a train has gone by (a-la Hampton-In Arden say).
It's part of Marylebone IECC and ARS so controlled signals will tend to stay red until ARS sets a route for a train - typically keeping two green signals in front of each train. There are auto signals north of the station but because it's a bi-directional pair of lines, the auto signals are held at red by the interlocking until a train is signalled towards them.

Marylebone IECC controls all the way from Marylebone to just short of Aynho Junction, as well as Aylesbury. The bit between Stoke Mandeville and Harrow is controlled by London Underground, so Chiltern trains disappear from Marylebone's control for a while before popping out the other end.
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Re: When will it be available 02/11/2011 at 12:34 #22402
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149 posts 		Thanks Geoff: bit by bit the picture of my local area is becoming clear. Oh, and this discussion is also helping to pass the time till Saltley gets released
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Re: When will it be available 02/11/2011 at 17:01 #22408
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552 posts 		" said:
" said:
Thanks for that KBarber. I take it that Princes Risborough station area is still manually controlled as I've noticed the signals stay at red until a train is due, then go single yellow, then green rather than progessively returning to green a short while after a train has gone by (a-la Hampton-In Arden say).
It's part of Marylebone IECC and ARS so controlled signals will tend to stay red until ARS sets a route for a train - typically keeping two green signals in front of each train. There are auto signals north of the station but because it's a bi-directional pair of lines, the auto signals are held at red by the interlocking until a train is signalled towards them.

Marylebone IECC controls all the way from Marylebone to just short of Aynho Junction, as well as Aylesbury. The bit between Stoke Mandeville and Harrow is controlled by London Underground, so Chiltern trains disappear from Marylebone's control for a while before popping out the other end.
The two LT ends are:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/llangollen_signalman/5961692010/in/set-72157627124521209

http://www.flickr.com/photos/llangollen_signalman/5961129907/in/set-72157627124521209/
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Re: When will it be available 04/11/2011 at 13:25 #22467
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149 posts 		Thanks for those Andrew! Most informative! I take it the HOTH shot is with Krap Room (er. sorry Moor Park) to the right & Baker St to the left!
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